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Post by roguewolf on Jul 12, 2007 14:38:02 GMT -5
Name :Frodo Truder
Race : Halfling
Class : Rogue
Alignment : Neutral Evil
Level : 6
Gender : Male
Height : 3' 7''
Weight : 34 Pounds
Hair : Black
Eyes : Green
Age : 19
Ability Scores
Strength : 7 (-2)
Dexterity : 20 (+5)
Constitution : 14 (+2)
Intelligence : 14 (+2)
Wisdom : 8 (-1)
Charisma : 14 (+2)
Totals...
HP : 26
AC : 21 (10(Base Armor)+5(Armor)+5(Dex)+1(Small Size))
Touch : 15
Flat-footed : 16
BAB : +4
Melee : +11
Ranged : +11
Initiative : 5 (5(dex))
Weapons...
Shortsword +1
Attack; +10(+5(dex)+1(masterwork)+4(BAB)-2(two weapon fighting)) to hit, 1d4-1 Damage, 19-20/x2 Crit
ShortSword MasterWork
Attack; +10(+5(dex)+1(masterwork)+4(BAB)-2(two weapon fighting)) to hit, 1d4-2 Damage, 19-20/x2 Crit
Punching Daggers
Attack; +10(+5(dex)+1(masterwork)+4(BAB)-2(two weapon fighting)) to hit, 1d2-2 dmg, x3 crit
Light Crossbow Masterwork
Attack; +11 to hit, 1d6 dmg, x2
Saves:
Fort +4
Ref +10
Will +1
Feats:
Two-Weapon Fighting
Weapon Finesse
Sneak Attack +3d6
Languages
-Common
-Halfling
-Dwarven
-Elven
Skills
Hide____________23 ( 9(level)+5(dex)+4(size)+5(cloak))
Move Silently_____16 ( 9(level)+5(dex)+2(halfling Racial Bonus))
Sleight of hand____ 14 ( 9(level)+5(dex))
Open lock________14 ( 9(level)+5(dex))
Escape artist______14 ( 9(level)+5(dex))
Tumble___________14 ( 9(level)+5(dex))
Bluff!_____________12 ( 9(level)+3(cha))
Disguise__________12 ( 9(level)+3(cha))
Search___________11 ( 9(level)+2(int))
Equipment
ShortSword +1
ShortSword MasterWork
Punching Dagger
Monk's Attire
Peasant's outfit
Thieves Tools MasterWork
Mithral ChainShirt +1
Gollum, a rock.
Light Cross-bow MasterWork
Disguise kit
Cloak of Elvenkind
Money : 4500CP
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Post by Toptomcat on Jul 12, 2007 15:22:06 GMT -5
Crit range. Rapiers are 18-20/x2, giving them a higher chance to score a critical hit.
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Post by Deekin on Jul 12, 2007 15:57:14 GMT -5
By the way, are remembering that you are encumbered? Max dex +3, -3 ACP, and a land speed of 15 feet. Also, you forgot to to note the effects of the improved init feat. Also, you don't have weapon finess, so your attack bonus when TWF should be +1/+1, +3 when not. Your damages are two high, your rapier should deal 1d4-1, same with the shortsword, 1d4-2 . Your crossbow should deal 1d6. Your daggers do 1d3-2. Yes, without sneak attack, your daggers do 1 damage. Your Melee attack should be +2. Since you are encombered, and wearing +1 studded leather leather, your ac should only be 18. You HP should be 16. Try using Heroforge |
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Post by TheZebraShakes™ on Jul 12, 2007 16:06:53 GMT -5
Again, please refer to the PM I sent you about two weapon fighting with rapiers. They do not count as light weapons for this purpose, only for weapon finnessing.
Also, your HP should be 16.
And I still believe that you have 1000 character points remaining to spend, correct?
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Post by Rojito on Jul 12, 2007 16:14:44 GMT -5
I would drop the init for finesse and take "oversized Two-weapon fighting" as your next feat, it allows your offhand weapon to be treated as a light weapon, no matter the size
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Post by TheUdjat on Jul 12, 2007 16:17:12 GMT -5
I can't believe you named a Halfling Frodo.
I'd do 2 shortswords and take Weapon Focus, but that's just me. Sure, you're missing out on the d8 and the extended crit range, but this way you can focus on shortswords. Most of your damage is gonna be through Sneak Attack anyway.
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Post by Deekin on Jul 12, 2007 16:21:47 GMT -5
Yeah, if you use a rapier and shortsword, Zain's going to have to kill you based on his code.
Still, you seem to forget a lot of things. Small critter deal less damage with weapons. Halfling short swords deal 1d4. .
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Post by roguewolf on Jul 12, 2007 18:09:12 GMT -5
Dammit! i copied from another character of mine and i forgot to change the feats
And i don't understand alot of what you guys are saying
NVM got some donw
How much do i need to take off so i dont get encumbered?
And to Udjat, I just had to do it
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Post by Rojito on Jul 12, 2007 18:30:26 GMT -5
also, dont forget to purchase your Rock, Effan  |
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Post by roguewolf on Jul 12, 2007 18:32:17 GMT -5
also, dont forget to purchase your Rock, Effan How much does a pet rock cost?? 100GP? INSANITY! |
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Post by TheUdjat on Jul 12, 2007 18:53:39 GMT -5
Name it Gollum. Or Samwise.
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Post by roguewolf on Jul 12, 2007 19:57:47 GMT -5
Gollum? sounds nice, but i dont know how to change title
And zebra, since my maximum carying load is 15, can i have someone else carry a bit of my things on aily basis? god even with that my studed leather is 20 pounds ;-; any help?
( ugh, mithral chainshirt armor weights 25... i really need a heavy eversack too bad it costs 2k ;-; )
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Post by TheUdjat on Jul 12, 2007 20:15:29 GMT -5
Gollum? sounds nice, but i dont know how to change title  I meant the rock. Equipment for Small characters weighs 1/2 that of medium characters. Small characters carry 3/4 the amount medium characters do. My advice: Use some of that starting CP to buy a Handy Haversack. Always weighs 5 pounds, can carry up to 120 pounds. Good deal. As for armor? Might need to ditch it. |
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Post by Lin on Jul 13, 2007 0:25:43 GMT -5
( ugh, mithral chainshirt armor weights 25... i really need a heavy eversack too bad it costs 2k ;-; ) A small sized mithral chain shirt only weighs 6.25 pounds. Mithral armor weighs half and small sized armor is half again. However, you complaining about not having enough carrying capacity would be like me complaining about not having enough skill points. |
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Post by TheZebraShakes™ on Jul 13, 2007 2:57:28 GMT -5
You can get the Mithral chainshirt +1 and then only have 500CP to put toward potions or anything you would like. And keep in mind, CP is not money, it is a concept, kind of like communism. Anyways, I'll be PMing you each with an amount of spending gold that you can have at your disposal based on your characters and how much tension I want to cause in the group about money and who has to drink beers on another character's dime.  |
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Post by roguewolf on Jul 13, 2007 8:31:05 GMT -5
However, you complaining about not having enough carrying capacity would be like me complaining about not having enough skill points. That depends, do you care about skills? If you do care, do something about it I want to cause in the group about money and who has to drink beers on another character's dime. ...but, we are all evil.... (Edited to evade the gruesome Double-Post  |
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Post by TheUdjat on Jul 13, 2007 8:38:46 GMT -5
He's saying that you deliberately created your character so that he was weak in certain areas - in particular, strength. And being a halfling, his carrying capacity is further reduced. Hence, complaining is sorta funny. Similarly, Lin's character is very physically powerful and tough, but dumb as a rock. He also took a class that has the lowest skill points, thereby guaranteeing him the minimum skill points possible. So if he were to complain about it, it'd be funny, because that's how he designed it. ...Can you see the similarity? If you care about being well-rounded, don't min/max. If you min/max, don't complain about the shallow end of the pool. |
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Post by roguewolf on Jul 13, 2007 8:43:57 GMT -5
I believe the rogue as having universal benefits, above all other classes ( prolly not but yea, which may also be why i only take them ) anyways i try to be the an extremist without many defaults (Which so far is hp )
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Post by TheUdjat on Jul 13, 2007 8:58:10 GMT -5
Pros: Good AC, Good 'to-hit', good skill points, awesome reflex save.
Cons: Damage output is low (especially if you don't get Sneak Attack), low hit point, really bad Fort and Will saves, carrying capacity, movement.
That's my take on the current build. It does certain things very well (sneak around, interact with people, get out of harm's way), but it is very lacking in other areas (toe-to-toe combat, resisting a solid Charm Person, magic item dependency). Just my observation.
As Shakes will tell you, it is Clerics and Druids that get universal benefits above all other classes. And she's right. Properly played, it's hard to outclass a divine caster. Rogues, on the other hand, are balanced.
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Post by TheZebraShakes™ on Jul 13, 2007 9:00:40 GMT -5
Remember to raise your AC by 1 to account for the mithral chainshirt+1. I'm sorry, but everytime I read or write this guy's name I'm gonna be thinking of lord of the rings. Do you really want that on your concience If you want Alchemist's fires or potions or anything like that, remember, you can pay triple the base cost of the item and have one per adventure. And I was just wondering, a rogue without Disable Device or UMD (with that charisma), weird. |
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