2.2 Ambush by Frost Goblins

[Ogremind]

Cover still counts for area attacks (concealment doesn't), as seen relative to the origin square of the attack. For close bursts like Dragon breath, you are the origin square, so anything that has cover from you has cover from the attack. Scorching burst can get around that, because the origin square is the center of the burst, but you still have to have line of effect on that square.
I wouldn't try to hit the hexer with anything that targets reflex -- his reflex defence is at least 19 (I missed on an 18). Borash, in particular, is probably better off using his staff as a weapon.
Thinking about it, an Eldrin Spell Sword would have been rather useful in this battle. Though its good to see high ground actually mean something for once.

[luke]

Is it safe to say that Bharash did his area attack before Persephone moved into the area?

[harknail]

Aug 22, 2009 20:50:53 GMT -5 cyco said:

Note Gabe has used his daily now and Bhrash and Gabe have +5 to hit gray 1 rather than +4.

Gabe struggles to escape the cloud but finds he is barely able to move at all. Frustrated he grabs a small vial from his bag and hurls it at the hexer.

I've updated my records, thanks

Gabe failed to hit the goblin, but came close enough for some of the acid to splash onto the Frost Goblin Hexer.

[harknail]

Aug 23, 2009 16:56:45 GMT -5 similar said:

Still in a rage Bharash scrabbles up the icy hill trying to get closer to their enemy.

Eager to get to somewhere where he can see his foe he moves to E6.

I just wanted to point out that although Bharash can see the Frost Goblin Hexer once he climbs up the icy hill (cover & concealment), moving to E6 reduces visibility because the goblin is further away from that edge. From there the goblins have superior cover as well as concealment, for a total of -7 to hit (only -2 with Gabe's bonus). I wanted to confirm the movement because that isn't somewhere where he can see his foe.

Also, the hawk is in the way by the time Bharash gets there. (He posted first)

[harknail]

Aug 22, 2009 22:53:57 GMT -5 luke said:

Laira will move up to aid Thurgasan to N20, then she curses the goblin in front of her (B4).

She then casts Eyebite at B4 (hoping to draw the OA so Thurg can get his free fighter attack thing-- note, she has concealment from moving so -2 to hit, and -2 from it being marked).

The goblin declines the opportunity attack, having had quite enough of Thursagan's attacks. He appears surprised when Laira disappears from his view however.

[harknail]

Aug 23, 2009 2:54:11 GMT -5 crysun said:

After healing Thursagan for 13, Zynthis charges blue 4.

The Frost Goblin Sharpshooter doesn't look happy to be facing 3 on 1 odds in melee combat, but he does avoid Zynthis's blow.

[harknail]

Aug 23, 2009 14:09:46 GMT -5 luke said:

Deleted old attack post, as I am doing something completely different now; sorry.
Sanem whistles shrilly to Persephone and the both take off at high speed, Sanem moving to Q13, Persephone flying to F6.

Persephone screeches in rage (Hunters quarry on Blue1) then charges Blue attempting to Bull rush it off the side. (Moving to I9).

The hawks target dropped to the ground rather than go over the edge (he made his save, now he is prone in the same square).

[harknail]

Aug 23, 2009 14:12:24 GMT -5 elricz said:

Thursagan keeps pushing on the goblin, hoping that this time he will go down with the tide of iron.

As it looks like it won't connect this time, he will use a minor action to second wind, for an additional +2 to AC, and shift to O20 to cover Laira from the goblins on the other hill. Blue 4 is still marked.
With both healings (13+9), he is at 33/37 on HP, 9/12 on surges, and +4 to AC (total 24) for a turn.

I have just realized that O and N are swapped on the map

Records adjusted. And oops. I think I'll leave it as it is to avoid further confusion.

[harknail]

Harknail tries to climb to his feet, not an easy task when one of your hands has been replaced with a sword. But his arms slide out from under him and he lands solidly on his chest. He wasn't hurt, but he wasn't helping in the fight either. Harknail found this frustrating. What was this strange slick stuff?

[harknail]

Waiting for Bharash to confirm or change his action, since Persephone is in the way and everyone would have superior cover from his breath attack.

[harknail]

Aug 23, 2009 18:27:32 GMT -5 Ogremind said:

Cover still counts for area attacks (concealment doesn't), as seen relative to the origin square of the attack. For close bursts like Dragon breath, you are the origin square, so anything that has cover from you has cover from the attack. Scorching burst can get around that, because the origin square is the center of the burst, but you still have to have line of effect on that square.
I wouldn't try to hit the hexer with anything that targets reflex -- his reflex defence is at least 19 (I missed on an 18). Borash, in particular, is probably better off using his staff as a weapon.
Thinking about it, an Eldrin Spell Sword would have been rather useful in this battle. Though its good to see high ground actually mean something for once.

With the rules we are currently using, not having high ground is a real pain. Which attack missed the Hexer? His reflex defense isn't that high (not counting concealment and cover). I could easily have made a mistake.

[luke]

How about we all just get 21 squares away from the guys who are too high up to hit? Then I can just plink at them until the either die, or come down, without them being able to hit us (Assuming the Hexer doesn't have some weird spell, I'd be greatly surprised if he can hit something that far away. I can though. Muah. Ha. Ha.

[luke]

Aug 23, 2009 20:36:09 GMT -5 harknail said:

Waiting for Bharash to confirm or change his action, since Persephone is in the way and everyone would have superior cover from his breath attack.

If we were playing in person, I would have just held my action until Bharash did his, so the bird wouldn't have been in the way.

[cyco]

The bird shouldn't provide cover for the goblins.

PHB 280: Creatures and Cover: When you make a ranged attack against an enemy and other enemies are in the way, your target has cover. Your allies never grant cover to your enemies, and neither allies nor enemies give cover against melee, close, or area attacks.

[luke]

The bird doesn't, the corners of the hill do, we are now treating vertical corners the same as horizontal ones

[similar]

Sorry I had not noticed that luke had chnaged his action putting his bird in the way.

I had moved to E6 thinking my top left cover would be 2.5 squares away from the edge giving me a better angle to target the hexer. I thought he might still have cover that way but not superior cover. Obviously my visualizing 3D cover skills are off.

I think it is easier if I just don't do the acid breath thing.

As Ogremind points out the Hexer will not have cover from the scorching burst as the origin square is next to him and concealment does not count against bursts so there will be no penalty to it.

As far as not targeting ref. Thats what all my attacks target. Apart from my staff obviously but I am not yet close enough to use that.

[Ogremind]

Aug 23, 2009 20:39:28 GMT -5 harknail said:

Aug 23, 2009 18:27:32 GMT -5 Ogremind said:

Cover still counts for area attacks (concealment doesn't), as seen relative to the origin square of the attack. For close bursts like Dragon breath, you are the origin square, so anything that has cover from you has cover from the attack. Scorching burst can get around that, because the origin square is the center of the burst, but you still have to have line of effect on that square.
I wouldn't try to hit the hexer with anything that targets reflex -- his reflex defence is at least 19 (I missed on an 18). Borash, in particular, is probably better off using his staff as a weapon.
Thinking about it, an Eldrin Spell Sword would have been rather useful in this battle. Though its good to see high ground actually mean something for once.

With the rules we are currently using, not having high ground is a real pain. Which attack missed the Hexer? His reflex defense isn't that high (not counting concealment and cover). I could easily have made a mistake.

Third post of page 2 (Zack's first attack). He hit an 18 reflex, but you said Gray 1 avoided the attack. (Which is why I then had Zack run away, because I was expecting something like a fireball from a sixth level wizard to hit us once he went).

[luke]

Don't feel bad, everything I do targets AC . I still think running and sniping at them from a distance makes a lot of sense. A hand crossbow has pathetic range.

[harknail]

Aug 24, 2009 10:23:07 GMT -5 luke said:

Don't feel bad, everything I do targets AC . I still think running and sniping at them from a distance makes a lot of sense. A hand crossbow has pathetic range.

Compared to your longbow, just about everything has pathetic range :-)

[luke]

Aug 24, 2009 18:19:39 GMT -5 harknail said:

Aug 24, 2009 10:23:07 GMT -5 luke said:

Don't feel bad, everything I do targets AC . I still think running and sniping at them from a distance makes a lot of sense. A hand crossbow has pathetic range.

Compared to your longbow, just about everything has pathetic range :-)

And at 4th level I will get the great bow for more range! And at paragon tier I will take the feat to let me ignore long range penalty! And the extra distance long bow! Range 60 or something! Exclamation point!