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Post by harknail on Feb 12, 2017 14:35:18 GMT -5
This thread is for discussing connections between characters. Which characters already know each other, where they met in the past, how they feel about each etc.
Thrack's player specifically wants his new character to have pre-existing connections to the group, not just a random stranger met on the road.
Any ideas or comments?
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 12, 2017 15:29:16 GMT -5
(To clerify, im not demanding this happen but its extremely important to me as a player this happends.
I saw that thracks was not taken well even tho he knew one of the party. I loved that last interaction with k because that fit for what they were to eachother, best friends saying goodby.
im trying in having him know the party as a hole like that.
If we deep conections to the party as a hole, when the party says ya lets not kill them. It will be well ya because ive spent time with them know them well enough that in character i can respect that.
Its important to me that hes not just some stanger on a road u meet. Ive played characters like that, meet the party and never stayed long because strong ties were never made.
If we dont have ties i see him possibly not staying long, thst worries me,for I really want this to be last character for this i have to make unless dak dies.
So far i have made 2 that have not worked.
One was my build for druid did not work all that great.
And Thrack well had many as u all have pointed out hence a 3rd character.
Im trying to find ways to fix the issues thracks character had in not understanding the party, not wanting it thier way etc.
Being apart of backstories i feel is the sure best way in accomplishing that.)
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 13, 2017 1:05:37 GMT -5
Possible ways to connect to Beth: - Friend from before she ran away from home
- Friend from Fallcrest
- Fellow member of the Fallcrest Guard
- Relative (must be human or half-human)
- Romantic admirer (must be age-appropriate)
Its important to me that hes not just some stanger on a road u meet. Ive played characters like that, meet the party and never stayed long because strong ties were never made. If we dont have ties i see him possibly not staying long, thst worries me,for I really want this to be last character for this i have to make unless dak dies. I mean, you could also just have the character not leave? After all, as the player, that is your prerogative. Instead of looking for a reason to stay, why not just stay unless you have a good reason to leave? |
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 13, 2017 1:36:30 GMT -5
I think the last one would be most likly for the new character if thats cool with you. im not sure what the age he should be for that tho. He is half elf.
About characters leaving i see your vaild points in that, but i saw track did not fit for the style players were going for and elir build did not work for what i was going for as a build.
Dak will i think fit in way better in the group. Much more likable i feel.
So when u have time i think we can figure out what age he should be when him and beth first meet.
To ceatch him up to party when he is ready to play:
He currently over heard and saw her and team left on a mission. Tho he was thinking it would be a fast trip next day he found out she and team are going on a long jurny. He realized its a dangerous mission and hes worried about you and the team, so he will meet thrack on his way back to town, thrack will see that Dak is a good person and will extange info for music lessions back in the town at somepoint.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 13, 2017 1:45:55 GMT -5
Half-elves mature at the same rate humans do, so he'd be around the same as Beth, who is 17. So age 15–19 would be fine.
For a romantic admirer, there is no need for a prior relationship, because you can become smitten upon meeting her.
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 13, 2017 2:01:16 GMT -5
18-19 fits him perfectly  because he is out in the world first time in his life and that age sounds right. And now btw her age and her actions makes a hole lot more sence. Cool, true but there has been some gifts for her left by curriers now and again. He also tried to play in inn she was in one night but a barbarian kinda took the stage first and he was not about to make the half orc mad. |
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Post by harknail on Feb 13, 2017 2:05:21 GMT -5
Another possibility is that Beth's father hired him to replace Lincoln, someone to watch over Beth and try to keep her alive. After a rogue turned out not to be reliable, a bard would be a good next choice. This would give your character a good reason for sticking with Beth, but means your character would have a secret he's trying to keep from Beth (though not Beth's player).
You could also have both, becoming smitten with her when you first meet.
Being hired by her father doesn't preclude coming from distant lands. That just means you came though Harkenwold first when you entered the Nentir Vale. Being from out of town means that there is no chance that Beth would recognize you as someone from her home town. Or you too could be from Harkenwold, and be someone Beth has seen as an entertainer. Thinking about it, Harkenwold would fit your background, since it's several very small villages rather than a single town. Total population of all the towns together is about the same as Fallcrest.
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Post by harknail on Feb 13, 2017 2:08:48 GMT -5
18-19 fits him perfectly because he is out in the world first time in his life and that age sounds right. And now btw her age and her actions makes a hole lot more sence. Cool, true but there has been some gifts for her left by curriers now and again. He also tried to play in inn she was in one night but a barbarian kinda took the stage first and he was not about to make the half orc mad. Ths is Beth's second adventure, and the first time she's been in charge. She will need to learn to make the hard choices. But it will take her a while to do so. This adventure should be quite an education for her in that regard... |
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 13, 2017 2:24:30 GMT -5
If he is from her home town she possibly saw one or two of his Preformances he has done. She saw The girls liked him but but he never realy went out with them. She never knew why. The way is because he had feelings for beth but never knew how to show it.
It would also mean he could have meet bishop,k,elir,licon at some point in that he was there so being from there as long as dm said it fits then ya beths home town will be his too then.
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Post by at on Feb 13, 2017 4:06:19 GMT -5
Bishop is a wandering militant cleric - promoting his gods agenda by smiting various people and monsters when aid is called for, protecting the weak, healing the sick.
He isn't much for words or friends but he is an easily recognisable figure in the area as a follower of the dragon god Bahamut, most would know someone who knows someone who had been aided by him, or at least had seen him on the hunt.
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Post by kawaylon1 on Feb 13, 2017 9:56:32 GMT -5
we could have met in passing as kamon-do was heading toward her schooling or what she thought was her schooling.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 13, 2017 12:09:13 GMT -5
If he is from her home town she possibly saw one or two of his Preformances he has done. She saw The girls liked him but but he never realy went out with them. She never knew why. The way is because he had feelings for beth but never knew how to show it. It would also mean he could have meet bishop,k,elir,licon at some point in that he was there so being from there as long as dm said it fits then ya beths home town will be his too then. It's probably better if he becomes smitten upon meeting her, rather than in his backstory. Like, I mean, there's a line between "admirer" and "stalker," y'know? |
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Post by harknail on Feb 13, 2017 12:54:04 GMT -5
However, if he was hired by her dad to keep an eye on her (as Lincoln was, then he would be following her because it's his job to keep her safe. If he is also smitten with her, that could have happened when he found her in Fellcrest and got a good look at her. In Harkenwold, she would have just been another girl in the audience.
Also being a bard, he has an excuse to tag along. He's heard the stories of their kobold adventure, and he wants to write songs about their next adventure. Some bards will do anything for a new song, including joining adventurers on dangerous missions... Regardless of his actual reason for joining the group, I would expect that to be the reason given when he catches up with them.
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 13, 2017 13:24:09 GMT -5
However, if he was hired by her dad to keep an eye on her (as Lincoln was, then he would be following her because it's his job to keep her safe. If he is also smitten with her, that could have happened when he found her in Fellcrest and got a good look at her. In Harkenwold, she would have just been another girl in the audience. True. |
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 13, 2017 20:57:53 GMT -5
( Thinking about it, Harkenwold would fit your background, since it's several very small villages rather than a single town. )
I think that fits the best as a start town for him. Rest is not that important so here are the importance bits that tie to hole the party:
At somepoint growing up beth and dak did meet possibly after one of his shows and start a friendship. After a few years that he realized he likes her more then just friends but unsure what to do with he new feelings so they stay friends. One day he tells his faster parents he needs to find his birth parents. He sets out for fallcrest before beth runns away.
They meet again in fallcrest.
she also was to him out of his league still and there for never tried thus far. Yet if he takes on adventures with her maybe she will see he can be the kind of guy she wants. So he put in more passion in singing and poetry and the like not fully grasping the why behind it. He never stocked her( cause ya i agree thats creepy thing when guys do that stuff dak is not a creep) so the friendship was/is there but sometimes she would get a free ticket in her mail box/ at barax to his Preformances. Tho he was never sure if she would show or not and was happy when she could even if it was for a little bit in between gaurd shifts.
He meet k,& Elir when they first got into Fallcrest and found them to be good company but had shows lined up so again never really hung-out with them for long periods but they always got tickets if they wanted some fun in town. Even if they could not make it he would still be nice to them in the streets, in passing and give k and the gang a tune or two.
When the got back from the koblt trip he saw how great of a story it was and wrote it best he could. Yet realized he needed to seek out the people who took part with full acounts make it a great one(epic).
It was then he knew he needed thier help to find his birth parents.
So when next he saw them all in the inn (k and thrack were missing at this point off thinking about making thier own team.)
He set up with the bar tender to preform that night to possibly thier attention to talk with him after.
However Thrack came in and has different ideas and well plays on the stage instead without asking.
By time dak set up the party had left. The next day he over hears from a few gaurd: Beth and the team took on even more dangerous mission and had left the town. This time he is very worried for her and the hole team and he still needed to finish the kobolt epic. So he set off to track them down.
He eventually finds thrack
( just resently) heading back to town, they have a laugh over the bar misunderstanding, dak tells him he can teach thrack at somepoint. He then gets directions to the party and is at a full run trying to get to them as fast as he can.
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Post by harknail on Feb 13, 2017 21:30:20 GMT -5
It looks like your post is treating Harkenwold (Beth's home) and Fallcrest (largest town in the region and base of operations) as the same place. These are two very different places.
Here's a short history of Beth:
Beth is the daughter of the ruler of Harkenwold, making her a noble (so she would be out of his league). She ran away from home and joined the Fallcrest town guard. After some time in bootcamp, her Sargent and some of her fellow recruits were sent to deal with the Kobolds. Lincoln (a rogue) had been hired by Beth's father to follower her and look out for her. When he found that she was going on a dangerous mission, he managed to convince some adventures to accompany the solders. It worked well, and they succeeded when either group alone may have failed. Beth is now on detached duty (so she can go on adventures), but is still a part of the town guard, which will affect what adventures interest her.
As for the others, some were local, some were from elsewhere. Those from elsewhere could have come to Fallcrest by river or by any of 3 roads, one which goes though Harkenwold. So those from outside who came up the Kings Road (the heaviest traveled for outside trade) could have met your character in Harkenwold. That's up to them, as to which route they came though.
You need a reason that Zak also moved from Harkenwold to Fallcrest. Depending on when he did this, he is likely to have met the others there, while Zak was performing in taverns.
I see two possibilities here (I'm sure there are more):
A: Zak left Harkenwold before Beth. He's not following her, she just happened to also go to the biggest town in the area. Many possible reasons as to why he left (see bigger city, get new stories, hunt for parents, to get away from unrequetted love, etc.)
B: Zak left Harkenwold after Beth. Most of the same reasons still apply, plus he might have been hired by her father after Lincoln retired from that job.
Either way, Zak sees her in Fallcrest, realizes she's doing dangerous things, and perhaps feels protective of her. Or maybe just thinks she's a good source of stories (that she is!)
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 13, 2017 22:29:32 GMT -5
Does the above changes make more sence?
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Post by harknail on Feb 13, 2017 23:09:09 GMT -5
Works for me. Need Beth's player's OK as well, since the story ties with hers. But it seems good to me, a story of unrequited love, where they keep coming across each other. I like that's nobody's chasing anyone (other than a Bard chasing sources for epic songs, and that's a classic).
Also most of the group is likely to have seen Dak at sometime or another, though their recognizing him depends on how much attention they were giving the bard. The one exception is Mika, who has been living a sequestered life.
Which reminds me, I need to redo Mika, to bring her stats in line with everyone else's. I'm going to let her keep her magic shield though, since that was earned in earlier adventures...
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 14, 2017 1:19:27 GMT -5
Sure, that all seems fine.
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Post by harknail on Feb 14, 2017 1:32:28 GMT -5
Mika has been adjusted to lower her stats. She won't be hitting as often any more.
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because he is out in the world first time in his life and that age sounds right. And now btw her age and her actions makes a hole lot more sence. Cool, true but there has been some gifts for her left by curriers now and again. He also tried to play in inn she was in one night but a barbarian kinda took the stage first and he was not about to make the half orc mad.
