Something in a Different Vein

[Lin]

A Nymph to Hold

Would a sane man throw away his vision,
For a woman more beautiful than imagination?
To take a blessing of a partner with grace and charms,
But a curse to never behold her unblemished features.
And what if her charms were ephemeral and empty,
Holding desires and dreams only till sunrise?
Answering each question with a coo and a smile,
Never remembering what cost was given to have them.
Is it worth the loss of the challenge of a real woman,
Whose needs are infinitely varied and complex?
Digging through the layers of mysterious challenge,
To uncover the reward of connection and understanding.
Listening to her words destined to be ghostly sounds,
Could he bear the melodic and surreal emptiness?
Unable to express thoughts beyond description and needs,
Limited to a shallow mimicry of a character.
But can a sane man’s desires be so simple in there scope,
That none of these failings really matter?
Can all the companionship required for his happiness be,
A nymph to hold and say ‘I love you’?

[Zarni]

hmm, a rant against shallow superficiality?

interesting...

[Lin]

Actually, it was a poem questioning the whether or not shallowness was supeficial. Notice the final couplet, instead of rebuking the question posed before it like all the others, it questions that question, shifting the emphasis away from a basing of shallow superficiality to questioning as to whether such a derogatory term is proper.

I would never rant against shallow superficiality. Simply because I am extremely shallow and don't consider it superficial.

[RedCow80]

and yet, dispite being shallow, your favorite activity, aside form gaming and porn, is having long discussions about some of the deepest topics there are

[Toptomcat]

Why do you consider yourself shallow?

[Lin]

The thing with having "deep" conversation is that it is, by its very nature, shallow. There is that assumption, that someone actually cares about what you thought, as if your thoughts are somehow more valid. That is shallow and that is what I do.

P.S. Why'd you have to bring up the porn? Why'd did you have to go there.

Seriously.

Why?

[TheZebraShakes™]

Mmmmmmmmm

Nymph Porn

[RedCow80]

Good point, I had forgotten the whole no one cares what you think rule, and so soon after reading grindcores libral bashing rant; it is the best libral bashing by a libral ever.

That aside, onto the porn. I brought it up because you honestly like it. There's nothing wrong wiht that, alot of people like porn. And on the plus side you are the social degenerate living in his mom's basement at 46 looking at underaged beastiality. You are just a normal porn veiwer, not much different then any male form 18 to 30. Plus, obviously zebrashakes likes nymph porn quite a bit. And I admit, I enjoy porn, it can be very entertaining on many levels, it is often humorous aside form its intended erotic appeal.

So next few questions, since we are discussing shallowness and superficiality, we should define those terms withing the context of this discussion, you taught me that. Once that is determined we will better be able to discuss wether shallowness is superficial, and wether or not things like porn are shallow or superficial.

[Lin]

I hope that long sentance was supposed to have a 'not' in it.

Also, this thread seems to be better suited to IM, don't you think?

[RedCow80]

it isn't ment to have a "not" in it, but it is ment to be taken as a joke.

That aside, yeah this is probably better over IM, just cause most people not from the gaming club at smc don't get it when we have discussions like this. how is it that everyone who gets us was in the same place atthe same time?

[Toptomcat]

Quote:
The thing with having "deep" conversation is that it is, by its very nature, shallow. There is that assumption, that someone actually cares about what you thought, as if your thoughts are somehow more valid. That is shallow and that is what I do.

Silliness. An equally valid argument would be that to assume nobody cares about what you think is arrogant and shallow: how can YOU know what goes on inside other people's heads? Why just assume that you know they don't care?

[RedCow80]

He wasn't trying to say he knows whats in other peoples heads, he was saying that is is shallow to assume that his thoughts are more valid then their's.
A complete stranger never walks up to you and asks a question like "Does modern day christiananity still follow Kierkagard's model from A Sickness Unto Death in relation to him saying that each person needs to find his own way to God; or have the movements to bring the ten comandments and bible study back to public schools thrown Kierkagard out the window in favor of forcing their religion on others?" DO NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION, it was an example and I probably spelled the philosiphor's name wrong anyway. That aside, strangers don't ask you things like this, because they don't care about your opinion, you thoughts are not more valid then theirs.

The examples of this board are different, here we have choosen to come together as a community, therefor we know we all share some things in common, namely, an enjoyment of role playing. We already now have an interest in the thoughts of others on this board, albeit a small interest. You can see this by the fact that a number of people have read the post and not responded, they weren't interested enough in the topic to continue. But, shallowly, we continue discussing this publicly, rather then in a private setting. We do this because we think what we are saying has meaning and value, and while it does have that to us, ir does not have that to anyone outside fo the discussion.

In fact the only people likely to comment in this thread are ones that argee with what we are saying, or ones that disagree strongly with somethign we said. You, for example disagreed Lin's comment taht you quoted.

But I diegress, My point was, he wasn't saying he knew what was in other people's heads, nor was he saying that other people didn't care about this topic, he was saying that they don't care about his opinions on this topic. And they don't care, not until he gives them reason to by either confirming their current feelings, angering them with different opinions, or managing to get lucky enough to say soething that sparks their interest. The problem with this is, he may have to spend a long time standing on a soap box screaming like the bum down the street does, and assuming that every passerby does care about his rants is shallow.

Or at least thats what I think Lin was going for, he will probably correct me, or at least some of the things, maybe my spelling, its bad.

[TheZebraShakes™]

Ummm...yeah, now I realize why I hate philosophy. Too much to sift through and none of it makes sense.

[RedCow80]

ANd I think thats why me and Lin love it

[Lin]

Yes, we do know I each other. I also know Zebra and Ravensir. The difference is, they don't mention that fact in 90% of there posts. I think, by this point, all 114 other members of this forum that you and I know each other outside of this message board.

You can be your own entity seperate from me. I'm ok with that.

[RedCow80]

Yeah I wasn't trying to hide that we know eachother. But aside from this thread and my most recent post in the character name thread, I don't think I have posted anything out of the ordinary. Also keep in mind that for Zebra and Ravensir's posts, of that 90% where they don't mention they know you, they have gotten to post in game, I have only gotten to post in game twice so far. And being on these boards and bored leads me to responde to the conversations I find interesting. Due to the fact that we are friends outside these boards and have similar interests, that makes me more likely to select your topics then helping RRR with his 2 poems for school or commenting on NaNoWriMo; those topics just didn't catch my interest. Whats the big deal about knowing eachother outside the boards, who cares? My guess is that of the 114 other members, at least 107 don't care (and probably haven't read this thread)

[Lin]

It doesn't matter much. I'm not saying it does. I've mentioned that I know you. That's cool. Its just it doesn't help moving a conversation in a direction where only you and me can appreciate, like on the old GCMB where at least half a dozen people could appreciate the comments. That's my subtle difference and point.

[RedCow80]

ahhh I understand better now, oh well, I sorta hoped that others would have joined in, toptomcat almost did...

[TheZebraShakes™]

Now now children...play nice.