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Post by Cel on Aug 24, 2004 9:41:03 GMT -5
Vote ;D
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Post by Merovingian on Aug 24, 2004 9:50:34 GMT -5
You do relies the inherent bias nature of you poll correct?  |
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Post by K Man on Aug 24, 2004 10:00:26 GMT -5
Perhaps a bit more explanation for those not involved in the campaign. The issue is this. The players, a mix of mostly spellcasters with one fighter, have the opportunity to end the life of the villain by doing a simple thing... ...killing an angel. Before anyone gets crazy on me, the villian is an angel too. This is the villain's story: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lysanias – (Lie-San-Ee-Us) - That which drives away the sorrow. “…and when the world was complete, the white light washed away the dirt of creation. He looked upon the universe and stood abash at what he had helped to create, and the urge to destroy welled within him…”- From the Book Of Origins - Hall of Planar Records Lysanias began his existence as a revered celestial. He assisted in the birth and creation of many worlds, and help to better countless others. When duty demanded it, he fought as a general of Celestia’s armies. He battled with unrivaled fury and a valor unheard of when facing the forces of darkness. This dedication and devotion to duty did not go unnoticed. As eons passed, Lysanias earned the trust and admiration of many a good god and one day, Lysanias was presented with the task of creating a magnificent world. This reward came after a particularly long and grueling battle with the devils of the Nine Hells, and it was to be shared with a council of other world-builders. When the new world was announced and the council of builders met, Lysanias proudly displayed his plans that he toiled relentlessly over. They were perfect with the exception of one flaw. There was no evil in his world, and that meant no balance. The council gently tried to explain this to the celestial, but eons of fighting demons and devils closed his mind to discussion. He would have a perfect world, or there would be no world at all. Lysanias stormed out of the meeting. The council decided to create the world and undermine Lysanias. They created the world as it is today. When the creation was complete and Lysanias breathed life into what he thought was his opus, he was shocked to see the councils doings. He wept at the evil in his masterpiece, the murder and the death. Through his tears he could not even see the wonderful things his world was filled with, life, birth and love. Lysanias could not contain his rage. He gathered his weapons and annihilated the entire council there on the spot, their blood staining his once silver wings black. Lysanias, still filled with rage, attempted an assault on the gods themselves, only to be repelled and stripped of most of his powers. The gods, angered at his abuse of their gift, imprisoned Lysanias in the very plane he loathed for all eternity. Lysanias spent the first decades of his new existence killing and destroying everything he could find in this new plane. He leveled forests, vaporized rivers and emptied towns of their inhabitants. Eventually he was stopped by a group of the plane’s native inhabitants that had banded together to stop him. Since they lacked the power to destroy the celestial, they instead imprisoned him. It is in the prison where he sits still, sharpening his blade and awaiting the day he can unleash his will once again and destroy what he worked so hard to build… ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, as you can guess, Lysanias was freed and is now rampaging around the plane again, destorying all he can find. The players, through a series of strange circumstances, have been transported to Celestia and come across a very unique NPC... Arkannon, Lysanias' twin brother. Not just twin but what's referred to as a 'Soul-String'. Basically, what happens to one happens to the other. [Think 'Corsican Brothers.] Wounds, power increases...everything. Arkannon was tortured just as much as Lysanias when his brother was in that prison, felt every attempt of Lysanias to claim his own life. He also has felt his brother's release and can feel every soul he claims in evil. Arkannon wants it to end. Arkannon has offered, to the PCs, the use of his blade in hopes they will deliver a merciful death to him, thusly eliminating his maurading brother. You can read the offer here.The question is this...what would you do in this situation? Kill Arkannon or find a way around it? |
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Post by Cel on Aug 24, 2004 10:33:45 GMT -5
There is no way around. We kill the good one, and the evil dies.
If we go and kill the evil the good will die anyway. So, why bother? Lets just kill him.
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Post by TheUdjat on Aug 24, 2004 11:17:51 GMT -5
There's one inherent flaw in your logic, Celebril. There's never been an event that tests exactly how thorough this link is. Yes, the twin suffers and gains everything that the other does, but when has either of them died so as to test whether the bond really does extend into life and death? It can be assumed, which is the premise of the offer, but when you assume... Well. You know the rest. Take that input for what it's worth.  |
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Post by Cel on Aug 24, 2004 11:29:17 GMT -5
It would be nice if you vote too, so we can keep track of votes.
It's posible, but not likely.
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Post by TheUdjat on Aug 24, 2004 11:32:25 GMT -5
Didn't wanna vote, as I have no stake in the outcome.
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Post by Cel on Aug 24, 2004 11:55:45 GMT -5
Oh, youre not in the game..  |
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Post by Merovingian on Aug 24, 2004 12:33:55 GMT -5
Still, story as it is, the poll takes into account 5 positive responses one undecided and one negative response. Not a fair poll by any standard. I must admit I am playing a bit of devils advocate here as I am the Merovingian, and have watched for some time. Celebril I fear is living in a world of black and white when it is the shades of gray that the world’s decisions must be made.
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Post by Althael on Aug 24, 2004 15:34:27 GMT -5
Who care? You're gonna kill an angel, go ahead !
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Post by Cel on Aug 25, 2004 0:14:51 GMT -5
Well, isnt the evil guy in the mortal realm? I mean, if we stab that good guy and make him bleed to death... Then the other one will bleed to death, no matter if we killed the goodie or not.
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Post by Merovingian on Aug 25, 2004 14:40:25 GMT -5
I look at it more like a math problem. Your group has stumbled across the idea that 2+2=4. Now if you wish to look at it id does not mater which two goes where but the result is still four. But simply because 4 is the desired result does not mean 2+2 is the only path. 1+3, 5-1, -6+10, 1004-1000, all equal to one another in the out come but none the same in the process. To refuse to look beyond the first process is, well, is up to you ultimately.
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Post by Wizard on Aug 26, 2004 17:36:22 GMT -5
I voted no. And I did that as a player and as a character.
What does Quitheren Snowblythe, guardian of Nature revere above all else? Why, Nature itself, of course.
Actions have consequences, and they oft have consequences that extend beyond the actor's foresight. Kill two archangels, and you'll find that Hell rejoices and lauds you as heroes, causing some other division of Celestia to come beat the crap out of you, etc., etc.
Quitheren does not want that. Let the planes alone. If they don't interfere, neither will he.
But he sees the other side of that equation. If he interferes, he can see why the planes might interfere with him---and Nature, for that matter.
That's Quitheren's reasoning. Wizard's reasoning is that heroes don't settle for less. Any guy off the street can come and drive a sword into an angel's heart. It may be a very sharp sword, and it may be one heck of an angel, but that's all he's doing. And that is not how Wizard wants to see Quitheren of House Snowblythe end his part in this tale.
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Post by Althael on Aug 27, 2004 0:27:19 GMT -5
Ehm, I dunno if the character know that or if Kman run his games like that. But no living thing can be killed. You can only destroy his body, his soul, can come back after his death and find an other body and come back. If he simply don't come back as a ghost to kill you.
I has always heard that if you cut the wings of an angel, he lose all of his powers, and become mortal. Cut the goodies wings, the other may falls hard.
Not sure about that. Both haven't the same ressource. You can cut the throat of the good one. But while he's bleeding, the good stay there and do nothing, waiting to die. The other one, will run everywhere and could heal himself to stop it. The bad heal himself, the goodies is healed too. Result: Nothing.
If you really want to kill him, choke him. I don't know how he could react if he begin to miss air. Or simply how he could stop that.
After thinking about it a bit, I camed with that. Yeah, killing an angel sound really interesting (at least for me), but extracting his powers from him could be worst than destroying his body. And, if the removal of the wings work, yeah, the goodie will still suffer, but hey ! He's a goodie, he's here to suffer.
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Post by Toptomcat on Aug 30, 2004 16:28:22 GMT -5
Think of this, however.
High-powered angels (such as Planetars and Solars) tend to have very high mental ability scores as well as physical ability scores, and we should assume that this is the same case for Arkannon's and Lysanias' breed of angel as well. Therefore, we are looking at an Int/Wis/Cha in the high 20s to mid 30s.
Now, think of the imagination a being of Arkannon's stature will have. Not only will he be tormented by the fact that his brother is killing thousands of innocents, he will be able to picture the act in full three dimensional, living color, and will never be able to forget it. He can't take his mind off it, or think about tea and crumpets for a while- or even wait for the release of old age, he's immortal.
Therefore, the sheer magnitude of suffering such a being is capable of enduring is head-and-shoulders over anything we can even imagine.
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Post by Wizard on Sept 7, 2004 11:07:11 GMT -5
What? Then why aren't epic spellcasters constantly plagued by memory?
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