4e Short- Keep on the Shadowfell

[Deekin]

I know I tend to fail a getting a game started, but Today I broke down and bought Keep on the Shadowfell. Anyone interested in playing in it as a Short?

List of Players:
1. Yakumo
2. Rojito
3. desertwolf
4. The Udjat
5. Wicksy

[TheUdjat]

May 26, 2008 18:59:44 GMT -5 Deekin said:

I know I tend to fail a getting a game started, but Today I broke down and bought Keep on the Shadowfell. Anyone interested in playing in it as a Short?

Damn! I was about to suggest this as the opener to my next game (modified for a different setting, of course). If you'd rather run it, that's cool, though I probably shouldn't play since I know the whole thing. I will eagerly watch, however.

[Deekin]

May 26, 2008 19:21:28 GMT -5 TheUdjat said:

May 26, 2008 18:59:44 GMT -5 Deekin said:

I know I tend to fail a getting a game started, but Today I broke down and bought Keep on the Shadowfell. Anyone interested in playing in it as a Short?

Damn! I was about to suggest this as the opener to my next game (modified for a different setting, of course). If you'd rather run it, that's cool, though I probably shouldn't play since I know the whole thing. I will eagerly watch, however.

Meh, I'm just as willing to play as I am to DM.

[Yakumo]

I might be interested in getting into another game, I was looking at M&M but I dunno, unfortunately I don't know any of the changes between 3.5-4 so I dunno if I would be left hanging. It it High-powered too? I'm not so hot on D&D rules when the levels start getting up there.

Also while I have you Udjat, Update Masks ;D ;D

[Deekin]

May 26, 2008 19:27:01 GMT -5 Yakumo said:

I might be interested in getting into another game, I was looking at M&M but I dunno, unfortunately I don't know any of the changes between 3.5-4 so I dunno if I would be left hanging. It it High-powered too? I'm not so hot on D&D rules when the levels start getting up there.

Also while I have you Udjat, Update Masks ;D ;D

The Power curve has been leveled out. PCs are more powerful at low levels (I.E. do not die from a single hit), but higher levels are supposedly much less powerful. As for the changes, they switched over to a MTG style of design: Simple rules with many exceptions- Almost all the rules are contained within the PC's powers.

[Rojito]

I would play as well, if you would have me, but i would back out for others to play to. but i got nothin on 4e

[TheUdjat]

Naw, you can run it Deekin. Realistically I won't even be ready to run any D&D4 for another month--I've got setting stuff to adapt, and I'd kind of like the official rules to be released instead of just the quickstart stuff.

Go for it. I'll hang back and get something rolling in June.

[Yakumo]

Alright, I'm in.

[Desert Wolf]

Since it has been suggested in my introduction thread I thought I'd try and apply for a spot in your game.

So I'm in too if that's ok.

[MaestroXC]

Another new face! Welcome, DesertWolf. Try not to get confused with RogueWolf.

Deekin; I'd love to play, would it be too late if I waited for June 6th and the SRD to come out?

If so, no problem, I'll be watching in any case.

[Japic]

May 30, 2008 11:17:26 GMT -5 MaestroXC said:

Deekin; I'd love to play, would it be too late if I waited for June 6th and the SRD to come out?

It was my understanding (no claims to being correct) that they were not making 4.0 part of the Open Gaming License (OGL) therefore no free SRD information. I'll be happy if that is not the case, but from what I've heard you either buy the books or bloody well piss off. I hope that's innacurate for WotC's sake.

Good luck on the Short; I'm holding off till I've seen the materials first hand and had a chance to experience them.

[Deekin]

May 30, 2008 11:54:21 GMT -5 Japic said:

May 30, 2008 11:17:26 GMT -5 MaestroXC said:

Deekin; I'd love to play, would it be too late if I waited for June 6th and the SRD to come out?

It was my understanding (no claims to being correct) that they were not making 4.0 part of the Open Gaming License (OGL) therefore no free SRD information. I'll be happy if that is not the case, but from what I've heard you either buy the books or bloody well piss off. I hope that's innacurate for WotC's sake.

Good luck on the Short; I'm holding off till I've seen the materials first hand and had a chance to experience them.

Yeah. You pay for the books, or pay for a D&Di subscription to get the rules. No more free lunches. I don't see why you hope not, it's not good to give away your core product.

I am also willing to hold off on the short for 8 days. Give people a chance to get the CRBs.

[MaestroXC]

Phase Two

Wizards of the Coast will release the second phase of the developer materials on June 6th, 2008 with the free, public availability of the Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition SRD and OGL. The SRD will be live immediately upon release. The OGL will go-live on January 1, 2009.

For further information contact [e-mail].

www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080108a


Tell me what that means to you. If I wanted to publish a 4th edition product, I'd need to buy the license, or wait until Jan 1 2009, but to me it looks like if I just want to play, the rules will be available for free.

[MaestroXC]

I did a little more research, and it seems that the 4.0 SRD will have no where near the same level of content as the previous ones; i.e. it will really be no substitute for having the books.

That's a shame; if that's true I won't be playing any 4E.

[Deekin]

May 30, 2008 13:50:04 GMT -5 MaestroXC said:

Phase Two

Wizards of the Coast will release the second phase of the developer materials on June 6th, 2008 with the free, public availability of the Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition SRD and OGL. The SRD will be live immediately upon release. The OGL will go-live on January 1, 2009.

For further information contact [e-mail].

www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080108a


Tell me what that means to you. If I wanted to publish a 4th edition product, I'd need to buy the license, or wait until Jan 1 2009, but to me it looks like if I just want to play, the rules will be available for free.

That info is from Januray. Things have changed from then.

GSL FAQ

Q. Will there be a fee to participate? Do we still have to pay $5,000?
A. The Game System Licenses are royalty-free licenses and there is no developer’s kit fee associated with them.

Q. Can anyone participate?
A. Yes. Interested third party publishers will be required to submit a registration card, agreeing to the terms of use. This registration card will be part of the materials available to publishers on our website beginning June 6, 2008.

Q. When can we start publishing GSL products?
A. The effective start date for sales of D&D 4E GSL publications is set for October 1, 2008. The timing for the d20 GSL has not yet been determined.

[Deekin]

May 30, 2008 14:03:20 GMT -5 MaestroXC said:

I did a little more research, and it seems that the 4.0 SRD will have no where near the same level of content as the previous ones; i.e. it will really be no substitute for having the books.

That's a shame; if that's true I won't be playing any 4E.

So you will only play the game if they give the core product to you for free? Just go and download a pirated copy of the book.

[Japic]

Overall I feel that providing good free content to users is astually better for the company than otherwise. For instance, I would read through a SRD file to understand something and then buy it if I like it. But if it's buy it or don't play, then many people (for monetary or other reasons) will not be playing this game. I can say also that SRD's make me able to play (a little these days) while at work. I can look at a file on my computer, but I cannot peruse a book on my desk without bringing down the thunder. Even as a player that has bought a dozen or more hard copy books, the SRD is an invaluable resource tool to have at my fingertips.

They should be book smart and make the content available lest Piracy go into full swing and they lose much more sales. No need to pirate books if they're available for free already.

[MaestroXC]

In a word, yes. Not because of any sense of entitlement, but because I don't feel like paying for something that has a free alternative.

All things considered, I don't spend much time on DnD; I'm never on the Wizards boards, I don't have a "real-life" game, and the only reason I game here is because a)There is a variety of excellent games and a small community of excellent gamers and b)it's free.

If K Man's goes 4e all they way, I may buy (or "buy") the 4e rules; until then, I will not.

I am interested in the new system though, so I'll be following your game.

[K Man]

I have made clear my stance on piracy before, I am against it and do not advocate it. There is something to be said about the SRD and its handiness at work like Japic said. If the 4e SRD option is not available, I will purchase my own copy and make it digital so that I can have it where I need it--it would just save me time if Wizards made one available.

[Deekin]

May 30, 2008 15:09:33 GMT -5 K Man said:

I have made clear my stance on piracy before, I am against it and do not advocate it. There is something to be said about the SRD and its handiness at work like Japic said. If the 4e SRD option is not available, I will purchase my own copy and make it digital so that I can have it where I need it--it would just save me time if Wizards made one available.

That's the D&D Insider. One of the things you get for subscribing is an online rules index, containing the rules for all the books released while you have a subscription. So if you want online rules index, you have to fork over some money. (It's still cheaper to buy the books. I got the set for 100$, while a yearly subscription costs $120)

Also, I apolgize for my above post. I was being a wise-ass when I
shouldn't been.

May 30, 2008 14:59:54 GMT -5 Japic said:

They should be book smart and make the content available lest Piracy go into full swing and they lose much more sales. No need to pirate books if they're available for free already.

Except to wizards of the coast, that's the same thing: A lost sale.