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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Oct 15, 2012 2:48:46 GMT -5
there may be things you ask and i cant tell you,
meta gaming is not allowed yet if things don't add up, or your missing key plot or your just curious and you need a more in depth explanation of the world here is the place to ask.
i will do my best but i don't want to give things way so i hold the right to hold it from you.
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Post by at on Nov 2, 2012 4:40:06 GMT -5
Can you give a little more information about the economy? Quite large quantities of gold are being thrown around for common services.
Also the general attitude to magical water sellers - what kind of response would be expected for someone who wanders down to the seafront one morning and comes back with a thousand gallons of pure drinking water?
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Nov 10, 2012 14:31:00 GMT -5
ok so the economy is not that bad cause of trading, each house/tent with two working parents makes about 3-4 gold a day each, so that is 8 gold on a good day. so the market is what is keeping it afloat. the kids can make silver peaces by helping their friends with camels and other tasks like taking tents down at market for others. they have a trade and barter system, you give me one jug of water my son will look after your camel for 3 days. so it is not thriving but just above float. they can work on the walls of the fort and get 4 gold for a hard days work. also the laws of the water are if you want it from well pay up, no one can cast to pure water that u know of til the Pcs showed up. no one will stop you for their is no law cause on one has tried it or could do it so there was no need for one.
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Post by at on Dec 10, 2012 20:10:06 GMT -5
The limits of the limited wish -
Callos in-game reactions are based on her own sense of scale. As a high level caster with access to create water and likely some experience of limited wish she would peg it's ability at a low end of 60 gallons (a 20th level empowered create water) to a high end of 432000 gallons (a full days worth from a decanter of endless water on full blast)
To put that into scale, a single olympic sized swimming pool holds around 650000 gallons.
Hence Callo's attitude of 'direct divine intervention' and her belief that it's a show of power great enough to eclipse any other she's aware of in the land. Thought it worth checking out how wishes/divine actions are handled in game and how common in the setting before Callo makes too much of it.
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Dec 11, 2012 1:33:15 GMT -5
they are not common in this land not at all, i have only about 5 ways in this world that has this lv of power and weal is one of them. you happened to find one of them right away. It was Isis herself that made it and entrusted it to the clerics. the spell cost of the all the wishes has been paid for already for a god paid it. and yes this was direct but not at her full power. the coin was a powerful sending to Isis and brought her down to the weal. why you did not know was the magic on them masked to all detection including to detect magic. so that evil could not use them. she came in not her true form so to not panic others, through the weal in a water elemental form. so callo is right Isis did have a hand in it. and it was not one casting. for how he phrased it, yes he did get one spell but she did the rest. see one would not do it but he ask for it to be fully restored. Had he just asked for the spell then you would be right way not enough. so the spell he got was "command water." what that did was bring water up hidden in the sand and that caused sand to give way to other water all of it rose, causing a chain reaction, of rising water but controlled. so there are no limits if you ask her to do something for others in her land. if you asked for gold or power it would be a simple confines of the spell and if it is "go kill so and so" it does not work. the three laws of the wish still apply, no killing, bringing back the dead and no love spell. it did the full scale and then some for he did not ask something for himself. i hope this helps explain it better if not ill try and explain it another way.
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Post by glassofsand on Dec 12, 2012 4:50:05 GMT -5
I thjiink that might have some people confused, because, by the book, killing and bringing back to life are 2 things wish does best.
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Dec 12, 2012 6:43:01 GMT -5
yes i know that. that is why i have other ways other then wish to bring people back. wishing for what would be true res-erection. if you have the power of a wish then u would have power more then likely for the other. then i ask why need the wish at all? the hole "I wish the main antagonist dead" is to easy from a dm prospective and it would not be much fun if i let that happen. so to do this fairly, the idea of the laws of wish came to be and it fit the setting of the game as well.
the result is: keep the spell manageable, keeps it usable and in game does not prevent it being used or obtained in game. I see little down side to having it work in this new way. I have set the line of how it works. this area is here so that people are not confused. and i thank you for asking them here. I am simply editing the list of how wish works. all the others things it can do. It is one of the only spells i had to do this for. I will never surprise pcs with how things work that i have changed.
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