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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jan 28, 2016 23:29:20 GMT -5
" Also Thrack can count, you have one bracelet they may be many. Thrack told many means more then one by Elir.
Thrack thinks officer need many more shiny bracelet things if plan is to work.
also Thrack does not see your plan working anyway. It why Thrack simple plan works it's why Thrack uses simple plan. So
Thrack plan works not silly bracelet plan."
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jan 29, 2016 1:11:31 GMT -5
Turning to his new friend
" Bow lady, Nice Elf since Gaurd lady won't let Thrack do his work, Thrack wants Bow lady to help Thrack look for shiny in big spookie empty house.
For job Gaurd lady wants is not for Thrack style and now boring, so Thrack no intrest in job now.
Then looks at Beth
Thrack wish Gaurd lady the best. And hope bracelet plan works for her.
I guess Elir can be wrong too, Elir never wrong before but Thrack sees Elir can be wrong now. O well Thrack will be ok.
The then orders another drink, and asks for a room at the inn.
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Post by harknail on Jan 29, 2016 1:33:59 GMT -5
Having completed her training, Beth has a good idea what is expected of the guard.
Within the city (including the surrounding farms), the guard are expected to bring in law breakers alive. But then most crimes don't carry a death penalty. But there are times when killing can be justified, such as when someone is attacking with a leathal attack. In such case the guard are not required to hamper themselves to keep the potential murderer alive, although it is still preferred to bring in an injured lawbreaker rather than a body.
But outside the city the rules are very different. On the rare cases where the city guard are sent out of town, it's to deal with a serious threat to the town or to commerce. That far from town the guard force has no backup, and transporting prisoners that far is problematic. Generally the guard is expected to deal with the problem as permanently as possible, as per the discretion of the commanding officer. The race of the raiders does play into it, kobolds, orcs, and such are likely simply killed. Humans might be brought back for trial, or simply killed. Or those that fight are killed and those that surrender brought back. With the stories of guard units being overpowered by their prisoners on the way back, it really is up the the commanding officer to make the determination.
So in the case of the kobold raiders, it was kill them all. These raiders are human, so bringing them back alive is an option, but not a requirement. Beth would not get into any kind of trouble if she and her band simply killed all of the raven roost. Given their reputation for elaborate and gruesome killing, they are likely to be executed if brought back alive. Or she could kill the actual raiders and bring back the non-compantants.
But that's what's expected of Beth as a member of the guard. Beth may have her own feelings about killing, and she'd have the flexibility to do follow those feelings (though the rest of the group may disagree).
Also there is the matter of something going on in Winterhaven. The Mayor of Winterhaven has asked for help.
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Post by Jasmine on Jan 29, 2016 2:22:29 GMT -5
" Also Thrack can count, you have one bracelet they may be many. Thrack told many means more then one by Elir. Thrack thinks officer need many more shiny bracelet things if plan is to work. also Thrack does not see your plan working anyway. It why Thrack simple plan works it's why Thrack uses simple plan. So Thrack plan works not silly bracelet plan." "Oh, I got loads of these, plus rope. It should be no problem. We fight them, we knock them out, we tie them up while they're unconscious, should be a cinch." I figure since this edition has no penalty whatsoever for nonlethal damage, nonlethal KOs are basically free. Knocking out an enemy is basically the same as killing them, except without the moral issues. So there's no reason not to just capture them alive and hogtie them. |
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jan 29, 2016 2:51:51 GMT -5
( I think that is a lame excuse to tell other players what they can do with there character, Beth has no in character reason. Your using meta gaming to prevent fellow players from having fun all because of rule changes. You do realize your picking fallowing rules over the fun of game don't you? I think that's a stupid reason as does Thrack.)
" If it so easy then u no need Track, Thrack ok with this for Thrack has other ways to make shiny. Thrack won't help if gaurd lady insists in telling Thrack what he can and Can't do. Gaurd lady not sibling nor parent to Thrack, there for can't tell him what to do. Now leave Thrack. "
With that he gets up and heads to his room.
Thrack refuses at this point to go on the adventure, he has little to no reason
to help or join the party at this point.
Best of luck convincing him to go if you insist on telling others what they can do. You could have just allowed bad guys to get killed and Thrack would gladly join . Do note now you in character have pissed him off, but he won't show it.
So agian has no reason to join the group and won't be told what to do.
Telling players what they must do or what they can do prevents fun and growth of characters in game. I see 0 fun in a game like that.)
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Post by kawaylon1 on Jan 29, 2016 3:49:11 GMT -5
( I think that is a lame excuse to tell other players what they can do with there character, Beth has no in character reason. Your using meta gaming to prevent fellow players from having fun all because of rule changes. You do realize your picking fallowing rules over the fun of game don't you? I think that's a stupid reason as does Thrack.) " If it so easy then u no need Track, Thrack ok with this for Thrack has other ways to make shiny. Thrack won't help if gaurd lady insists in telling Thrack what he can and Can't do. Gaurd lady not sibling nor parent to Thrack, there for can't tell him what to do. Now leave Thrack. " With that he gets up and heads to his room. Thrack refuses at this point to go on the adventure, he has little to no reason to help or join the party at this point. Best of luck convincing him to go if you insist on telling others what they can do. You could have just allowed bad guys to get killed and Thrack would gladly join . Do note now you in character have pissed him off, but he won't show it. So agian has no reason to join the group and won't be told what to do. Telling players what they must do or what they can do prevents fun and growth of characters in game. I see 0 fun in a game like that.) Kamon-do sees her new friend(she assumes friend until shown different but that does not mean you have to be her friend.)storm off and looks at "guard lady" before following him to the rooms section of the inn. while in the hallway she asks him if he will help her as she has a "bad guy" who had wronged her and her family. If you wish to kill them she wont stop you. (gives him a look to say plzzzzzzzzzzzz) |
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Post by Jasmine on Jan 29, 2016 4:31:49 GMT -5
( I think that is a lame excuse to tell other players what they can do with there character, Beth has no in character reason. Your using meta gaming to prevent fellow players from having fun all because of rule changes. You do realize your picking fallowing rules over the fun of game don't you? I think that's a stupid reason as does Thrack.) |
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jan 29, 2016 5:00:16 GMT -5
Once in the room he closes the door.
" Ok time to level with you. First I'm really good at my job and yes I am a bounty hunter. I am way smarter then I act, but I have to play dum until I can trust others and that is not easy for me.
Only other person who knew was Elir and at times we partnered up.
Yet any time we meet in the open he knew me in my cover. Sorry about the " Bow lady bit."
" Me talk like Thrack" is my cover as you saw it works great for the Elf gave me all the info I wanted without even asking much.
I think he might call you K if that's cool with you.
Anyway I play in the bars to get a clear view of the bar view without them knowing.
I see who comes and goes, with no one the wiser.
Bar tenders know a lot in the citys drunks tell you things.
I very much hate drums and every time I hear them I lose my mind and I punch anyone playing them or try braking drums.
trust me when I tell you it can get bad quick if drums start.
So my take is : best shot any drum player or shot the drums before they start to play. Tho in the city that's way harder to get away with it.
Yes I know when I play I'm that bad but who would think a bounty hunter is playing an instrument at all and if it clears a room I can then talk to the bar tender with no enemy ears around and even so would not be hard to spot them leaving.
So to the killing bit, it's in my blood and training to not show mercy it's the simple truth it's how I was raised, I hope that's not an issue.
It's easy if they are wanted dead cause then I don't have to lug a body fighting to get free, trying to bribe a way out. Excaping in the night. Telling me false info or sob story that is a full lie. And if any officer asked its " They pull weapon on Poor Thrack, Thrack defended himself." and I'm not lieing cause they did pull weapons.
Ya way simpler to be done and over with it. So I hope this is not upsetting to you, and yes I will help you."
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jan 29, 2016 5:15:27 GMT -5
( I think that is a lame excuse to tell other players what they can do with there character, Beth has no in character reason. Your using meta gaming to prevent fellow players from having fun all because of rule changes. You do realize your picking fallowing rules over the fun of game don't you? I think that's a stupid reason as does Thrack.) First you should have led with that as your reason not with what the rules were. That gives her way more depth and that is totaly fair in her thinking/feelings. Thrack nor rest of us out of game, had no way knowing unless you told us, so it's important u did. Her struggling with it is very real and leaves room for even more depth and I find that is a great thing. Thrack had to kill to survive so he is very good at it. He just sees it different he knows he is already seen as a monster but he kills the worse ones so that others can live a good life. He is not out to kill everyone just those who are evil. The hard part is the line is hazy to him. Its why he won't do it unless he is alowed to, that way it's can be " well a monster killed a monster. Ok hang the monster who lived. So when its allowed by the city he can't be put in jail for doing so. He is covered by the law in that case. Unless it's a set up then that would get interesting. I could see then it would make him think about, O shit maybe I have been blind for a long time about how I do things. |
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Post by harknail on Jan 29, 2016 12:13:43 GMT -5
I suspected Beth's reasons for bringing them in alive were personal, that's why I tried to make the rules clear. The city has no problem at all with someone killing the raven roost gang, while human, they're a pretty nasty bunch worse than most of the monsters! But they also have no problems with Beth bringing them in alive (though it would be unexpected, and they would be executed in short order).
As a compromise, the Lord Warden himself told Beth that the Mayor of Winterhaven was asking for help.
By the way, I think the character development is great!
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Post by kawaylon1 on Jan 30, 2016 22:49:13 GMT -5
Once in the room he closes the door. " Ok time to level with you. First I'm really good at my job and yes I am a bounty hunter. I am way smarter then I act, but I have to play dum until I can trust others and that is not easy for me. Only other person who knew was Elir and at times we partnered up. Yet any time we meet in the open he knew me in my cover. Sorry about the " Bow lady bit." " Me talk like Thrack" is my cover as you saw it works great for the Elf gave me all the info I wanted without even asking much. I think he might call you K if that's cool with you. Anyway I play in the bars to get a clear view of the bar view without them knowing. I see who comes and goes, with no one the wiser. Bar tenders know a lot in the citys drunks tell you things. I very much hate drums and every time I hear them I lose my mind and I punch anyone playing them or try braking drums. trust me when I tell you it can get bad quick if drums start. So my take is : best shot any drum player or shot the drums before they start to play. Tho in the city that's way harder to get away with it. Yes I know when I play I'm that bad but who would think a bounty hunter is playing an instrument at all and if it clears a room I can then talk to the bar tender with no enemy ears around and even so would not be hard to spot them leaving. So to the killing bit, it's in my blood and training to not show mercy it's the simple truth it's how I was raised, I hope that's not an issue. It's easy if they are wanted dead cause then I don't have to lug a body fighting to get free, trying to bribe a way out. Excaping in the night. Telling me false info or sob story that is a full lie. And if any officer asked its " They pull weapon on Poor Thrack, Thrack defended himself." and I'm not lieing cause they did pull weapons. Ya way simpler to be done and over with it. So I hope this is not upsetting to you, and yes I will help you." |
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jan 31, 2016 15:53:34 GMT -5
" Before we go down I feel you need to hear this and when Im done I'll buy u another drink.
" that was Elir's take to get drunk after I told him who I was, only I was the one who had to pay for his beer that night.
" As to beth, I can't say she has the wrong mindset for she wants to do good but at times killing evil is the only sure way to stop it. I could see something evil mess with her or our mind. Then convince her or us to do things she or we does not want to do. All in all to protect her and us from herself or ourself you might do a questionable thing to rid it of a greater evil. As long as you can live with yourself for doing it.
If evil gets in your head it makes all the more harder to live with the actions they made you do."
"Thrack's personality won't take shit from no one and nither will I, but I won't start a bar fight unless I have a very good reason to, or some stupid bard starts playing drums then all bets are off.
"He" nor I did not mean to be disrespectful to her but her way will at somepoint get u and others in the group killed, Elir would agree with me.
But speaking of how many are in this group ? so far I know it's you and beth what about the others?
You should know I spent a while hanging out with Elir before he ever came here and he was one of my best friends and still is. He saved my life, and I owe him yet he never has let me repay him nor will he. It's not a debt to him, he told me he did so because it was right not out of being comended for it he simply knew it was the right thing and did so nothing more.
His take protect the men and women in your group but don't go in half planed. Plan head, scout/ do your homework on your enemy.
Don't piss off your captian or higher rank if you can help it but don't fallow blindly to your death and disregaurd any order that is outright stupid.
Find a better way out so everyone comes out alive if you cant then take the very best option while still thinking of a better one and always,always have a way out for a retreat.
It's not her fault she is doing best with what her higher ups gave her. Her plan is her fault however and that's what I dissagree with as would Elir.
He said he was with a group and i think he ment this one.
In part that's why I think he left your group yet he is to prowed and strongwilled to say. I don't think he wanted to tell your group leader how stupid they were being nor did he want to leave his friends die so he made sure all of you got out safely then once all of you were he left never wanting to be put in same situation again. He can't stand to see a plan go south and have friends die as a result so he cuts himself off making them.that latter did not help matters. I offered him my help but being him he refused as I knew he would. I would be lieing if I said I was not worried by him.
Anyway your right let's get the rest of the team but to them I must be " Me be Thrack"."
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jan 31, 2016 21:07:26 GMT -5
He opens the door and they both walk back down stairs to see if the rest of the group got there yet.
Occ : where is rest of the party I would like to head onto the adventure soon.
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Post by at on Feb 1, 2016 4:55:02 GMT -5
Occ : where is rest of the party I would like to head onto the adventure soon. Bishop is/was with Beth. |
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Post by kawaylon1 on Feb 1, 2016 4:59:51 GMT -5
Occ : where is rest of the party I would like to head onto the adventure soon. Bishop is/was with Beth. |
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 1, 2016 5:27:49 GMT -5
Occ: Thrack is not going to stop himself from killing the bad guys. I would like it if we all agree he can do that without anyone getting upset or him locked up. If not everone is on board with that I don't see him going. I want to be able to play my character as I see fit.
Is everyone ok with this?
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Post by Jasmine on Feb 1, 2016 6:04:34 GMT -5
Taking them prisoner is the plan, but as the GM says, guards are authorized to use lethal force in cases like these. Thrack isn't going to get in trouble for killing bandits. Killing the ones who have already surrendered or been subdued nonlethally would cause hurt feelings though, as that kind of gratuitous brutality is characteristically evil.
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 1, 2016 12:10:02 GMT -5
Fair enough, Thrack is not out for blood nor is he evil he just thinks evil will mess with you if it gets the chance. I do agree if anyone lays down arms and they get killed it's an evil act.
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Feb 1, 2016 19:56:28 GMT -5
Going over to beth and Bishop
" Gaurd lady Thrack not know you has more buddy. Hi New Buddy me be Thrack.
Thrack friends with nice bow lady.
Guard lady does not understand Thrack well, Thrack not friends with gaurd lady.
He points to his new friend. She understands Thrack and is kind to Thrack.
Does new Buddy drink? "
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Post by harknail on Feb 2, 2016 0:14:32 GMT -5
Aegis returns to the inn after a very satisfactory visit with his family.
OOC: Aegis can stay in the inn or with his family, your choice. But even if he's staying with his family now, he has stuff in his room to fetch. Which gives him a reason to pop in while many of the original group are here. Sounds like the group is planing on going with Bishop's mission. Just to recap:
Bishop was asked to deal with the raven roost gang by Grundelmar (dwarven priest of Pelor).
Beth was told that the Mayor of Winterhaven has asked for help by the Lord Warden.
Thrack (and Kamon-DO) have heard about Kalton Manor and the possibility that there is treasure there.
Kamon-DO has a personal score to settle with one of the Mages of Saruun at Thunderspire (recommend you wait a bit on that one, high level mages are dangerous)
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