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Post by at on Aug 4, 2011 11:28:19 GMT -5
He just forced the above to stop attacking or to attack him. that is not the actions of an enemy.
If - for instance - you were a soldier manning an anti-tank gun, and a tank rolled over the hill and began killing your allies - would you consider me an enemy if I put a gun to your head and told you not to shoot at the tank? |
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Post by harknail on Aug 4, 2011 11:35:33 GMT -5
the above is what he was thinking - he never said any of it. And a telepathy must claim they are reading someones minds to read their minds. As I understand it - their target knows when someones reading their mind, they just may not be able to do anything about it. |
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Post by sageaqua on Aug 4, 2011 12:38:03 GMT -5
I thought it was clear that he was not saying anything - one player at least understood Dart was thinking it and another player thought he was saying it. "That's where Dart's going. Most of the party just declared war on him and they will find it's going to cost them. But he needs some time to himself to think things through). that sounds pretty clear to me. I did say think in that sentence, I did not say, said or say or threaten or insist or any other word that means speak to others. I said think.
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Post by harricklomax on Aug 4, 2011 18:03:46 GMT -5
I know he only thought it, which is why my response was NOT to immediately kill him, which I would have done if he'd said that aloud. However, both in and out of character, Dart has clearly threatened us. Regardless of the source of the argument, the only person who has behaved with active aggression toward another party member is Dart. And to say the characters are bullying him is misleading. Several of the characters have bent over backwards to accommodate him. Even those who would rather have just ignored or killed him (such as Popol and, I would assume, Harknail) have made an effort to deal with the situation peacefully. Frankly I think the fact that Dart is alive and that the drakes were not killed immediately is proof of a good deal of understanding and compassion from some team members, especially since he openly attacked the Warforged.
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Post by sageaqua on Aug 4, 2011 18:43:31 GMT -5
Dart only challenged Harknail - he never attacked him physical. In fact when Harknail hit him Dark didn't hit him back. And he could of. No Dart being bullied is not misleading. It just does not include all of the facts. And I agree Dart has been a Maverick from the beginning. Mavericks are never team players, but they do tend to be heroes.
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Post by Rojito on Aug 4, 2011 22:14:47 GMT -5
But you did cause damae to Romra. You put him in a situation where its either attack you or take damage. Now i am not holding it against you, but dont expect my character to trust you as he did when we all came to save the farmers together.
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Post by sageaqua on Aug 4, 2011 22:22:58 GMT -5
Dart would only cause damage to your character if he attacked anyone that was not Dart. It would do no damage if you did not attack anyone. Both warlock curse and divine challenge are situational spell like abilities. If a situation does not qualify you'd never take damage. If you choose to attack someone else. You are choosing to take damage. I didn't use eyebite on anyone in the party and that's my main attack power.
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Post by Rojito on Aug 4, 2011 22:35:44 GMT -5
Ok So i didn't punch you, but i did set you up to walk into a death-trap, i am innocent of blame right? No you put me in a bad situation knowing the result, same as i made the decision knowing i would take the damage.
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Post by harknail on Aug 5, 2011 0:55:33 GMT -5
New thread here
Discusion about Dart should stay on this thread.
I think Dart's player summed up the situation best when he said that Dart was a Maverick, and that Mavericks are not team players.
The problem is that this a team game, and characters that are not team players are not good for the game. It's ok to call for the team not to kill, it's going too far to curse and challenge your own teammates in the middle of the fight. That's marking your teammates as your enemies. I think Dart is lucky to have survived challenging Harknail while the Drakes were trying to eat Dart (Harknail doesn't taste good).
In any case, Dart is not around for the next encounter. He may show up again later.
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Post by Rojito on Aug 5, 2011 1:13:10 GMT -5
As a player i have no problem with Dart's actions, i think they will make a hell of a game when we next run into eachother. No garuntee everyone is going to survive the encounter but it makes the game much more than "Go here, solve this puzzle, kill this person, solve this quest."
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Post by harknail on Aug 5, 2011 1:15:28 GMT -5
That's good to hear. If the other players think disruptive is fun (even if it's frustrating for their characters), then it's all good.
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Post by harricklomax on Aug 5, 2011 1:30:47 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with what Dart did either, I just have a problem with David saying Dart was the victim of a bullying team when that is very clearly not what happened from the point of view of everyone else, and is in fact directly contradicted by going back and reading the old posts. If this was a bullying team, we would have made no effort to follow Dart's wishes instead of numerous efforts, and when he attacked us we would have mobbed and killed him, instead of brokering a peace. If Dart wants revenge that makes sense, but he can't be the instigator of unrest and the martyred victim of it at the same time. In any case, moving to next thread.
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Post by sageaqua on Aug 5, 2011 10:40:22 GMT -5
All right, let's see what happens next - Dart continues to watch from the shadows - just kidding - it sounds to me like he want the wrong direction. He hasn't seen any drakes or has he?
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Post by harknail on Aug 5, 2011 10:51:47 GMT -5
All right, let's see what happens next - Dart continues to watch from the shadows - just kidding - it sounds to me like he want the wrong direction. He hasn't seen any drakes or has he? |
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Post by sageaqua on Aug 5, 2011 11:14:47 GMT -5
If you want a fight to the death - I know a loaded fight when I see one. But I still haven't used my most powerful attacks. So that's okay with me.
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