3.6 Morningfall Peak

[sageaqua]

Dart sees that his efforts to help the party is a waste of time. He wanders off until out of sight. Once out of sight, he'll return to his native form.

[nobu]

Tol

Walks mostly calm over to the dragonborne ghost. "Are you one of the living dead or not? You think we should bow down before oppresors such as the decendant just because he weilds a bit of magic? Break his hold over you and make him reap what he has sowed for turn his back on Family and you God or will you be content to stand around like another mindless zombie without honor or will?!" i wave toward the group "Now can we help you deal with this ursurper, or will you 'live' as a good little minion and do s your told?"
not sure what role that is, diplomacy or intimidate, but for some reason since i see him nearly yelling at the ghost i think its intimidate. And if so ill use wrathful aspect give a fieryness to my speech
[dice=20] [+5 diplomacy] or [+18 intimadate]= 16 / 29
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[harknail]

Dec 2, 2011 19:42:59 GMT -5 whave88 said:

Stria steps forward talking to the spirit in draconic, trying to appeal to her sense of honor and shame.

How dare one such as you call yourself a dragonborn, yet you follow such a petty master. For shame.

Move out of our way before I banish you back to your resting place myself(I don't know if I can do this as a second check Joe, but I'd like to try)

No, only one check per round. Which is just as well since Bluff is an automatic Failure (as revealed by Romra's and Harknail's insight checks). But it works as part of the intimidate check.

5 Sucesses


Map

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[harknail]

Dec 3, 2011 16:02:39 GMT -5 sageaqua said:

Dart sees that his efforts to help the party is a waste of time. He wanders off until out of sight. Once out of sight, he'll return to his native form.

OK, putting Dart at L2, where he's out of sight.

[harknail]

Dec 3, 2011 19:48:20 GMT -5 nobu said:

Tol

Walks mostly calm over to the dragonborne ghost. "Are you one of the living dead or not? You think we should bow down before oppresors such as the decendant just because he weilds a bit of magic? Break his hold over you and make him reap what he has sowed for turn his back on Family and you God or will you be content to stand around like another mindless zombie without honor or will?!" i wave toward the group "Now can we help you deal with this ursurper, or will you 'live' as a good little minion and do s your told?"
not sure what role that is, diplomacy or intimidate, but for some reason since i see him nearly yelling at the ghost i think its intimidate. And if so ill use wrathful aspect give a fieryness to my speech

I agree, intimidate sounds right for this.

6 successes

[harknail]

Vrak shrinks back from the verbal assault. She defends herself with, "Bejik Vuthaner has presented proof that he is my descendant. Much as it pains me, I am honor bound to support him. And without honor, I am nothing."

Starting round 2 of the skill challenge. Since no one said where they wanted to be on the map, I placed everyone pressing in on the ghost, with the quiet ones in the back and Dart hiding in the trees. If you want to be somewhere else, let me know.

Tag all.

[Rojito]

Romra will ask him, "What proof did he have of his ancestors? Do you truelly believe one of your distingiushed line would do something so pitiful and disgraceful as binding the dead?"

Insight +4
[dice=20]
= 9... ugh
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[at]

"What of honouring Bahamut? You support and aid a dire adversary, one who would see your people drawn to darkness ... perhaps it is better to be nothing."

[dice=20]+11 religion


Edit: Barbatos[rand=84931816499338942359683356300367240349212759588815697340708488554]

[sageaqua]

as the ghost is in a natural amphitheater, look at the map. Dart should hear the conversation. listen [dice=20]+3, he'll come over, "Did you make a friend or an enemy? I was just looking around. Saw a monkey. What's the spirit's story?"[rand=686198045266792281929756677709524488388637546455161107955500484]

[harknail]

Dec 4, 2011 6:16:20 GMT -5 Rojito said:

Romra will ask him, "What proof did he have of his ancestors? Do you truelly believe one of your distingiushed line would do something so pitiful and disgraceful as binding the dead?"

"Bejik proved his connection to my family with a patent of nobility. It is my honor that compels me to support him as a descendant, however much it pains me. He has NOT bound me with magic."

Nice, your text contained an incorrect assumption, which justifies it being a failure. Still you gathered some information

6 Successes and 1 Failure

[harknail]

Dec 4, 2011 7:07:07 GMT -5 at said:

"What of honouring Bahamut? You support and aid a dire adversary, one who would see your people drawn to darkness ... perhaps it is better to be nothing."

+11 religion


Edit: Barbatos

Vrak has no reply. Barbatos has pointed out a conflict that tears at Vrak.

Good use of Religion.
7 Successes and 1 Failure

[harknail]

Dec 4, 2011 10:05:59 GMT -5 sageaqua said:

as the ghost is in a natural amphitheater, look at the map. Dart should hear the conversation. listen +3, he'll come over, "Did you make a friend or an enemy? I was just looking around. Saw a monkey. What's the spirit's story?"

Dart ambles over to join the crowd by the ghost, where he's filled in by those in the back of the group that aren't directly participating. Which was nothing new, since he had actually be able to hear the conversation.

Moved Dart in to join the group. Reminder, if you don't want to be in a dense crowd, let me know where you want your character to be!

Waiting for Blastishy, Harknail, LLewelyn, Popol, Stria, Tol

[harknail]

Romra and Llewelyn notice a slight shimmer in the air above and to either side of the group. The shimmer is barely visible, only their keen senses allowed them to notice.

The shimmers are 5 feet up in F9 and K9. Map updated but they don't show much. If wasn't for Romra's and Llewelyn's passive perception of 20, the group wouldn't have noticed them at all.

[sageaqua]

Dart says out loud to the people filling him in that a ghost has spirit only as long as it retains it's faith. Our faith is the anchor that keeps us here. ( this is part of the gnomish belief's related to being a paladin) Should the spirit's faith die then they will never arrive at their gods gates. They'd be doomed to oblivion. Bahamut is the god of good dragons and he'd be disgraced if his faithful rejected his teachings and turn to evil. Any ghost that turned others to evil would never know peace again. religion +5[dice=20]
Dart is lying but he is also telling a white lie help the ghost remember who the ghost is and let the ghost find inner peace. He means no harm to anyone with his riddle of the dead. A good lie is more believable if it has elements that are true. I was just drawing on native Indian lore of the Indian gods and spirits and making up the rest. But play it as you will.

Dart has a +8 for religion checks, not a +5. His roll is high enough that he will remember the fate of spirits.

While you have extensive knowledge of the afterlife from your 3.5 books, I have most of the 4th Ed books, and things are different from what Dart describes.

Most Souls go to the shadow fell, make their way to the Raven Queen, and pass on to where even the Gods know not.
Some Souls are captured by Demons and brought to the abyss.
A few, a very few of the most fervent worshipers of their Deity become exalted, living for a time in the Dominion of their code.
Others, every bit as fervent in their worship, become Outsiders, living on border islands around their gods Dominion, unable to ever enter the Dominion.
The soul's Deity has no control over where the souls go (except for the Raven Queen, who can return them to life as living undead creatures).

Not all sentient undead have souls, Ghosts are among the few that do. Those undead with souls can exercise more restraint than those that don't (which tend to be driving by unending hunger for life). So it is possible that Vrak has a soul even though she claims that she does not. But Dart doesn't know for sure what manner of undead Vrak is, Ghost, Specter, Wraith, Wight, or something else.

A ghost might be granted peace if achieves it's goal, but this usually just sends it on it's way to the shadowfell. So Dart's comments about the ghost never finding rest aren't' correct.

I'll leave it up to you if you want to modify your post. Since you are talking to the other players and not Vrak, this does not count towards the skill challenge.
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[nobu]

Tol
"Honor is Useless to the Dead" Darth Bane

"As you are Honor bound to serve him, he should aswell be honorbound to follow the will of the family instead of following a false god and dragging his ancestors names down with him because of it." I take a step back (k9) acting disgusted with the specter. er... this isn't all that diplomatic, and isn't really a bluff. i think this might also be intimidation cause the spirit will lose face in my eye. if not apply what is applicable.
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[harknail]

Dart is just talking to others in the group, so it's neither success nor failure. (The info Dart is giving is not correct, I sent him the 4th Ed info if he cares to modify his post).

As for Tol, I agree, Intimidate fits best

8 successes, 1 failure

Waiting for Blastishy, Harknail, LLewelyn, Popol, Stria

[(George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0)]

"Are fight is not with you for we are on your side of this. I wish to put an end to this injustice. I came seeking this nation hearing of its greatness. To fine it in ruin with a unjust ruler, makes we want to do all i can to help rebuild it to its former glory. To replace the unjust rule that had pledged these lands and forced you to do things verses your own free will. He has left you and your friends in unrest to do his evil biding. yet now you have the chance to be free, and i ask that you take it. These lands are not the only ones that are suffering and i am giving them a voice. It is for them i am fighting for and i will fight to help free you if that is what you would like. If it is something else that you would wish ask and if it is in my power or ability i will do all i can to fulfill it. All i ask you to help us The question is will you?" [dice=20]+8=24.
I could use an assist but if you don't wish to i understand. I did say I for i did not want to speak for all of you and comit any you to things, I am just playing him out, he is not a paladin but he can see that the spirit is suffering and want to help it rest once again. [rand=7850308064371347276524388929829187407697550952438946234681643546]

[sageaqua]

Dart says to the Ghost. "The wise never do things that well leave their afterlife in jeopardy. You have a choice to make. Do you protect your soul or let it die without peace? The lives we have is the only life we are ever going to get. Don't disgrace your faith, your god or yourself by supporting things you would of never done when you lived. Live in honor. Die with honor. Keep your honor. It is the only thing we have left after our passing." diplomacy check [dice=20]+4

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[(George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0)]

ya but it was better said then what i said, short and to the point.

[sageaqua]

thank you blastishy. I just hope my book sounds as clear.