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Post by sageaqua on Jul 10, 2014 21:51:09 GMT -5
"I can agree not to use the summoning circle as long as your part of the party but I think it should not be destroyed. I have no issues with Vadania keeping it with her. I trust her! We are a good team. Even when we don't agree. I remember my grandmothers teachings about summoning spell use and I can summon animals at will. Or at least until I ran out of spells. All druids can cast summon nature's ally. For instance: Summon wolf." cast Ka'lion he pets the wolf until it dissappears 12 seconds latter. "I could of cast dire rat, eagle, monkey, octopus, owl, porpoise, snake viper, or a wolf at my power level. Vadania can do even better. So I think you need to work out your issues with summoning magic. I've never heard of white arua being applied to evil. Evil spells tend to be red or black."
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Post by harknail on Jul 11, 2014 2:41:01 GMT -5
Vadania comments, "I've never promised Ka'lion anything, so how can I break a promise I never made? I'll be keeping the summoning circle and I'll do what I like with it, just as Ka'lion has been hanging onto that book. Not that I feel the summoning circle is as valuable as the book, but since you seem opposed to having people turn over magic items for the greater good, I'll just hang onto the summoning circle. If the two of you want to go your own way, that's fine. I'll miss you, but as I've been saying, I've no authority over you. Oh, and it's kind of late to leave the construct with the blacksmith since it's right here."
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Post by at on Jul 11, 2014 4:04:34 GMT -5
A light rain begins to fall as the group debates it's future moves in the fading light, Garrot and Lynette choosing to close the hatch on the construct and remain dry - and uninvolved - within it's metal shell.
The path to the monastery would take the group north but also east while the barbarian lands lay in a more westerly direction and are more easily reached by doubling back past Burr Town, a path that would take the group past the lizardman valley and the crypts of the risen dead where Ka'lion found his mask.
In any event standing in the cold and the rain will accomplish nothing and the party should either push on through the night or make camp and assign watch, either within the inn or somewhere outside.
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jul 11, 2014 9:55:47 GMT -5
NOW YOU LIE TO US! YOU SAID YOU WOULD HELP HIM AFTER THE GOBLINS! NOW YOUR GOING BACK ON IT. IM DONE WITH BEING USED AND LIED TOO " Your handing the summing circle over here and now that is not open for debate. Hand it over or there going to be issues. Im asking nicely. Dont make this harder then it has to be. Its not summing magic i dislike . its ones that could possibly summon daemons, also why i dont trust anyone with it. I told her to leave it she took it anyway, does not make it hers to keep. All i want is it to be handed over. Its raining so its best we do that soon."
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jul 11, 2014 10:00:06 GMT -5
( he is going to be very pissed off and he is not leaving the circle with her. I dont want him to attack but more and more your giving him reason to. Yes he feels that strongly. If you hand it over he will part ways, and nothing more.)
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Post by sageaqua on Jul 11, 2014 10:11:34 GMT -5
"Vadania we did have an discussion about helping the villages of the goblin attack in return for seeing the barbarians. You sounded to me as if we had a deal. But since you don't consider it important. I think we will need to meet up latter. Good luck." said Ka'lion, as he turns Runaway around and heads to the Lizardmen’s valley.
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Post by sageaqua on Jul 11, 2014 10:23:04 GMT -5
Vandania does have a problem your not seeing. the sub is tarring up the lands it's passing through. It makes it far to easy to find you and it's will be killing small trees because it's tarring up the landscape. A true druid should be opposed to that.
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jul 11, 2014 10:26:24 GMT -5
( Before he does ) " so not only did you lie to me your not even living up to your claim your defending and protecting the fell. If you could wait Ka'lion we have one last thing to deal with before we head off. Are you going to Hand it over or not?"
" Ka'lion i get you trust her, i respectfully ask you go with my gut on this. Its comming with me or being destroy its the only other option ill alow."
( george is comming with him he needs the scroll first. He is not letting her have it. Ill go down the list of things he asked for and never go. He is not letting this one go. You all keep brushing past my requests, he done with that shit. Its best if she hands it over. im playing out how he would act. By not doing so its giving him his very last resorts. It honestly is just best to hand it to him.)
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Post by at on Jul 11, 2014 11:01:36 GMT -5
george is comming with him he needs the scroll first It's not a scroll, it's a large canvas square (you were using it as an improvised tent if you remember).
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Post by harknail on Jul 11, 2014 11:26:02 GMT -5
Vadania responds, "I did say I would help Ka'lion hunt for a Barbarian tribe that likely no longer exists after we deal with the goblins, I still think it's a fool's errand, but without something time urgent I would do it. It's the two of you that aren't honoring that agreement, heading off on your own before we deal with the goblins."
She continues, "As for the canvas, why are you insisting that I hand it over but didn't insist that Ka'lion hand over the book after deciding he wasn't going to use it? The priests weren't insisting on having the book, only that the book be used. They would have been just as happy for Ka'lion to keep the book as long as he was using it to fight the demon. But Ka'lion wanted to go hide, and keep anyone else from using the book to fight the demon as well! And you supported him in this decision!"
"You don't know what this canvas does, and neither do I. But it's harmless as long as I keep it in the bottom of my backpack. You wanted me to leave it open and exposed to the moonlight, continuing to summon whatever it was going to summon. Well I don't trust anyone with so little regard for others. You keep making demands, with the threat of leaving the group. Well I'm not keeping you here, but I'm not giving in to your unreasonable demands either. I trust the Priests of the order of the Flame far more than I trust you right now!"
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Post by sageaqua on Jul 11, 2014 11:46:03 GMT -5
"George if you are going to turn this into a fight. I'm not taking part in it. Your are already lugging around a dangerous weapon no one can safely use. But with healing spells they have a chance. Trade the for the summoning circle. I'm sure it will do far more good in a battle with the goblins and bears then the summoning circle will. I personally see the circle as treasure that I found inside the sub with Garrot. So I have first claim on it or Garrot does and he wants the sub which doesn't interest me. It does far to much damage to the land to be used by any druid on land. In the water I have a feeling would be another story - such as the treasures lost in that sunken ship I found. We would of never found it at all if I hadn't drained the sub. But that's between me and Vadania and she's a fool if she thinks that my book is religious property. I risked dying to get it. But I don't have any problem if she uses it or not. If it turns out evil she'd destroy it or try to. Most good people would." said Ka'lion
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Post by at on Jul 11, 2014 11:57:28 GMT -5
(i'd not be so quick to call it a sub given that it was flooded when you found it, and be aware that I will sometimes diverge significantly from the source material in order to discourage metagaming - for instance the spells needed to break a prismatic shell or the specific form of weapon needed to slay a rakasha. Your characters are expected to learn such things in game.)
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Post by sageaqua on Jul 11, 2014 12:21:26 GMT -5
It's a sub and Ki'lion knows it. It was full of water like a sealed bottle. Once empty it's habitable - sub is simply a word we all understand - otherwise Ki'lion would of called it a big bottle with a cork in it.
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Post by harknail on Jul 11, 2014 12:27:01 GMT -5
Sub is a word we all understand as short for submarine, but our characters would have never heard of such things. Plus I think this construction has some holes in it, so it's no longer watertight.
"Thanks Ka'lion," said Vadania, "For a moment there I thought I was going to have to fight both of you."
OOC: Ka'lion seems to think that the passage of the construct is damaging the ground. I think it's just leaving some unusual tracks. Is the passage of the construct anything a druid should be worried about?
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jul 11, 2014 12:33:01 GMT -5
(will you all please give me to to respond thanks! I do have things i wish to say and it taking me a bit to do so. I trying to do things in order.)
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jul 11, 2014 12:49:43 GMT -5
Vadania responds, " I did say I would help Ka'lion hunt for a Barbarian tribe that likely no longer exists after we deal with the goblins, I still think it's a fool's errand, but without something time urgent I would do it. It's the two of you that aren't honoring that agreement, heading off on your own before we deal with the goblins."
You even admit that you said you did, 3 seconds ago you said you gave no such word to us its how all of this started. That is a pure lie to ones self, good people don't do that. You broke it by saying you never made it in the first place, how can we brake a pack, that you claim you never made. if it was never made it can't be broken to begain with. You say all of us only agreed was stop goblins and you had no intended to help us after so when we did help you you would have lied and used us for personal gain that is evil my book. Yet you said you gave no such word to it. as i pointed out I see a major contradition in all that. to say we broke it all is you lieing to yourself and to us. Its no matter I have never broken an agreement in my life, i know i have not now. what you think to about me no longer matters.
She continues, "As for the canvas, why are you insisting that I hand it over but didn't insist that Ka'lion hand over the book after deciding he wasn't going to use it? The priests weren't insisting on having the book, only that the book be used. They would have been just as happy for Ka'lion to keep the book as long as he was using it to fight the demon. But Ka'lion wanted to go hide, and keep anyone else from using the book to fight the demon as well! And you supported him in this decision!"
They were using you, And he saw it, I did not hand it over cause I have seen preists do that all the time. " o its ours, its not your god, ya but see you want to give it to us for the greater good." greater good my ass. All they want is to get people to fight wars so they can heal for money and convert people. You never got that is why i never took a god who did or does condone that, and yes even the good ones try that underhanded crap. It was my fault with alatar and the book, we should have just left. i have said as such. I took the side of the person who was a parrty member that had my back, not the one who turned on me over personal gain. I feel he tricked us into finding his master so that his master could tell us what to do and give us orders so we could be draged in to thier shit storm. He used me and the priests will use you cause they see your blinded by " wanting to do good" I can't force others to do anything i can't force you to give what you have up, its why i asked.
"You don't know what this canvas does, and neither do I. But it's harmless as long as I keep it in the bottom of my backpack. You wanted me to leave it open and exposed to the moonlight, continuing to summon whatever it was going to summon. Well I don't trust anyone with so little regard for others. You keep making demands, with the threat of leaving the group. Well I'm not keeping you here, but I'm not giving in to your unreasonable demands either. I trust the Priests of the order of the Flame far more than I trust you right now!" I never wanted it in the open, when i said leave it i immplyed to cover it, not to do so yes i agree would be stupid. I knew you were going to take it regardless in what ever i said. you made up you mind and now when chalanged you put the blame on others never yourself. You just hear what you want and others felling be damed. I wanted it destoryed, no it was " you can't you don't know anything shut up". I said its bad lets leave it you said no, we have to take it with us lalala im not hearing what your saying." at that point cover and leave would have just been a no too, cause it was " we are taking it with us fuck what you think or want" so no you don't know what i wanted, you just assumed what i was meaning and used the missnotion of my meaning to insult me and my lack of judgment. all the while being wrong in what i wanted.
You trust people that treat you like crap and use you, that is on you. I did my best to help and u never wanted it. I kept your best friend alive, I risked my life to save ka'lions and yours. But you can't trust me ok that is fine with me.
"George if you are going to turn this into a fight. I'm not taking part in it. Your are already lugging around a dangerous weapon no one can safely use. But with healing spells they have a chance. Trade the for the summoning circle. I'm sure it will do far more good in a battle with the goblins and bears then the summoning circle will. I personally see the circle as treasure that I found inside the sub with Garrot. So I have first claim on it or Garrot does and he wants the sub which doesn't interest me. It does far to much damage to the land to be used by any druid on land. In the water I have a feeling would be another story - such as the treasures lost in that sunken ship I found. We would of never found it at all if I hadn't drained the sub. But that's between me and Vadania and she's a fool if she thinks that my book is religious property. I risked dying to get it. But I don't have any problem if she uses it or not. If it turns out evil she'd destroy it or try to. Most good people would." said Ka'lion
" I have no reason to fight her, if she does not give it up there is no reason to kill for it, that is what the demon prince would want us to do. kill others and summon him. So fighting is pointless, she is not good in my eye not now at least. she does not stand a chance to stop what is summoned out of it, nor the rest of the land. her doing so will wipe out the fell she loves. So i was just trying one last effert for her to see reason, i was wrong to think i could do other wise. Its not worth one life to prevent evil. Also if she did die and i was wrong then it is needless death as was my fathers. with that i think its best we go. what she does now is on her not me. Its not a fair trade for even if I offer he mind is made up its no use, but i thank you for the idea. I wait until your ready to head out, i need to say goodby to little man first."
he knocks on the hatch and says his goodbys to the others.
" Watch her back, live adventure as long as you can"
He walks away when Ka'lion is ready to move on, when they are a bit far from the group " what direction are we going Ka'lion ?"
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Post by at on Jul 11, 2014 13:42:35 GMT -5
OOC: Ka'lion seems to think that the passage of the construct is damaging the ground. I think it's just leaving some unusual tracks. Is the passage of the construct anything a druid should be worried about? No worse than a horse and cart unless it's used to bulldoze through the terrain - and from what Vadania has seen so far in a competition between the construct and uneven terrain it's the construct which is likely to come off worse.
How does Ka'lion wish to respond?
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Post by harknail on Jul 11, 2014 13:47:31 GMT -5
Vadania responds, " I did say I would help Ka'lion hunt for a Barbarian tribe that likely no longer exists after we deal with the goblins, I still think it's a fool's errand, but without something time urgent I would do it. It's the two of you that aren't honoring that agreement, heading off on your own before we deal with the goblins." You even admit that you said you did, 3 seconds ago you said you gave no such word to us its how all of this started. That is a pure lie to ones self, good people don't do that. You broke it by saying you never made it in the first place, how can we brake a pack, that you claim you never made. if it was never made it can't be broken to begain with. You say all of us only agreed was stop goblins and you had no intended to help us after so when we did help you you would have lied and used us for personal gain that is evil my book. Yet you said you gave no such word to it. as i pointed out I see a major contradition in all that. to say we broke it all is you lieing to yourself and to us. Its no matter I have never broken an agreement in my life, i know i have not now. what you think to about me no longer matters. Vadania says, "Looking for barbarians next after goblins was the current plan, not a pledge or a promise. Plans are subject to change as time goes on, especially if Ka'lion changes his mind as to what he wants to do."
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Post by sageaqua on Jul 11, 2014 15:47:12 GMT -5
Out to lunch back now. I may come to tonights game. I'm board out of my skull.
Vadania says, "Looking for barbarians next after goblins was the current plan, not a pledge or a promise. Plans are subject to change as time goes on, especially if Ka'lion changes his mind as to what he wants to do."
"You know I sometimes forget that you have no tracking skills. You couldn't track a goblin if your life depended on it. You'd hope your pet could find them for you.
This is what I was seeing while tracking you here. The first is that the sub is tarring up the ground and is very easy to follow. Once you get to the goblins they are always going to know where you are. You will be unable to hide your tracks. A baby could follow them. So your planned stagtely can't work because hit and run tactics require the ability to hide and they take weeks to have a impact. Those villagers will die of starvation first.
The second thing I was following was the ibaxian came this way and suddenly turned in the direction of the lizard folk and the barbarians - as if they are being lead there by a new vision or the demons? I can make an educated guess why. We have hours at most to stop the ibaxain. My guess is two fold - the first is they intend to free the skeletons or wipe out the barbarians that we all should realize are alive and in real danger.
How do I know the barbarians are alive and in real danger? Two fold the first is Clearwater was attacked by at least 200 or more Barbarians. You never find that many barbarians in one place without them having families. In fact the purpose of a shaman is to speak to the gods and spirits on the behalf of a tribe. That means their are families! The second is those barbarians recruited additional barbarians to fight with them. As a rule you don't send war parities unless you think your family is in danger period! So we know that they are alive. We saw a barbarian champion turn on his shaman with he turned into a undead creature so we know there is good to be found in them. Barbarians never turn on their shamans unless they feel the shaman betrayed their tribe and their gods. Only then will they turn on them!
So I agree the goblins are starving the village and the village needs help and the village has the horses we need - they may not wish to give them to us. But they have them! And I have no qualms about stealing those horse to save anyone barbarian children! Barbarians trained me to survive as a child. I owe them at least that much. So it is my fee and it is not negotiable! We have no use for wagons and with the right spells we should be able to catch up to the ibaxain by increasing the horses speeds. It's easy to do we hold on and summon wolves and tell them to attack the horses. I know those horse well run! Now the fact that you trust me only some of the time. I'm okay with that. I am not a unwise person. My guess is I'd be about average and my wisdom will improve given enough time and I'm okay with that.
I'll help you with the goblins but only if I have the parties promise that we will do it quickly, that we get the horse we need to be able to over take the ibaxain and to help the barbarains. Otherwise I feel the barbarains needs outway the villagers. There are enough villagers to fight for them selves. I have no idea one way or the other if thats true for the barbarains but the barbarains will have most of the answers we need and that is why I'm sure the demons have sent the ibaxian in their dirrection.” said Ka'lion
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Post by (George) 3.5./ ZEM ( 4.0) on Jul 11, 2014 16:10:08 GMT -5
Im not helping he with the GOBLINS! Im not helping her anymore. i cant trust she will change what she says now. She made that clear to me. Im going to the barrbarions now, ka'lion you can come with me or not. Im packed and ready to go. Please devide the loot and let's go if you dont wish my help in that matter then that is ok but im going now not later. Im done with hearing what she has to say. ill meet you at burr in a few weeks if im still living. But i cant adventure with her too much to over come my abilty is useless here."
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