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Post by TheUdjat on May 14, 2007 11:04:35 GMT -5
((OOC)) It doesn't say they provide cover or block line of sight (they're 10' long, but not necessarily tall), but that's a rather nice question. I'd like to know what Japic thinks of that, too. Either way, 30' up, I wouldn't think they'd provide total cover.
I also have a moderator question - How fast does Spectral Hand move? There's nothing in the spell description that talks about this. It almost seems like it can instantaneously touch someone in range, but I don't want to assume. Any word on that Japic?
Holding my action until that's answered.
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Post by Fangor the Fierce on May 14, 2007 11:15:29 GMT -5
Yeah, it doesn't say, although, once it comes at her, it would have to do so from your direction, and I think that provokes those tentacles to try and grapple it. Yeah, ruling needed, as it doesn't say movement and such... plus, if it goes out of your sight, then it returns to you as well.
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Post by TheUdjat on May 14, 2007 11:17:29 GMT -5
Yeah, it doesn't say, although, once it comes at her, it would have to do so from your direction, and I think that provokes those tentacles to try and grapple it. Yeah, ruling needed, as it doesn't say movement and such... plus, if it goes out of your sight, then it returns to you as well. Also good points. Definitely need a ruling on both these questions.
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Post by Japic on May 15, 2007 9:23:42 GMT -5
{Ok, part one, the Black Tentacles and cover. Though it doesnt say specifically I believe that they would count as a creature, or soft cover. If you cannot draw lines between each of your corners and your opponent without crossing this patch of spell then the opponent gets +4 to AC, even if you're flying. We've gone over flying creatures and cover before, and if there's even a halfling infront of a huge critter then he's in your way and provides cover. Essentially you have to consider that each flailing tentacle isn't cooperating with the combatants, they could easily block or knock astray a shot intended for someone past it; therefore soft cover. LOS still exists.}
{Part two: Near as I can tell there is no "movement" modifier for this hand. Therefore I believe that it can magically strike at anyone within its range. Basically manifesting wherever the caster wishes within range (no flanking and such per the spell). If it moves out of range or sight then it returns to its master's side and hovers, the attack action wasted.}
{Hope that covers your questions; if you can find me rules that say otherwise I'll have a look, but its the best judgement I can make. You guys seem pretty capable of nearly running this yourselves but I'll update later today to show the tentacle field, new positions and correct HP totals.}
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Post by TheUdjat on May 15, 2007 10:50:42 GMT -5
((OOC)) So line of sight, soft cover - sounds fair enough. Caelith, still being able to spot Krysta but unable to accurately target her, relies on the time-tested evoker tactic: the fireball. The little bead soars unerringly to her new, very distant position at the southern end of the region, eager to engulf her in flames.
The Caelith moves back behind his pillar, comfortably out of sight.((OOC)) Cast Fireball, 8d6 Damage, Reflex save DC 19 for (in Krysta's case) none. Nice ring. If it hits, here's the damage: [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] Total: 26 Damage. [rand=3762352427154498491958302426125147999400235378572729162163122878]
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Post by Fangor the Fierce on May 15, 2007 11:31:29 GMT -5
[dice=20]+9 for Reflex Save, fingers crossed...PASS
Krysta readies her bow yet again, hoping to hit Caelith with another arrow.
Ready action to shoot at first thing that attacks her (spells count as attacks), +15 to hit, he gains +4 to AC, again, 20% miss chance as well, does not stack with Tentacles, as Concealment does not stack) [dice=20]+15 vs AC 25 for cover, hit again with 26, barely
Miss Chance, 1-20 misses[dice=100], pass [dice=8]+2[dice=6]=12 damage
Concentration check at DC 22 or lose spell
AC 24 (thanks for the cover from the tentacles) Concealment, for 20% miss chance (again, thanks for the tentacles)[rand=9526550089410826092315147991216936564187804842223388655815267374]
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Post by TheUdjat on May 15, 2007 11:46:50 GMT -5
Predictably, after launching the arrow Caelith will poke his head out for another attack - and gets shot for his efforts. (HP now 28) Deciding the fireballs may not be the best approach, Caelith dismisses the Black Tentacles (no longer providing cover/concealment) and sends the Spectral Hand to deliver a Shocking Grasp to Krysta. (Range 180', easily done) Shocking Grasp: Melee Touch attack, 5d6 damage, no save. Spectral Hand gives a +2 to touch attacks, shocking grasp gains a +3 for an opponent in metal armor, and a touch attack ought to be finesseable. Krysta's Touch AC is 13. To hit: [dice=20]+13 25 Hits easily enough, even if not finessable. Damage: [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] [dice=6] Total: 22 Damage. Spectral Hand reappears beside Caelith, behind the pillar. Your turn to shoot. [rand=55656951214153975449279298090688769594497769130217700715862767502]
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Post by Japic on May 15, 2007 11:54:24 GMT -5
Sorry to be a spoilsport, but Krysta's readied action was to attack the first thing to attack her. The hand (using a touch spell) is that thing, not the mage directing it. I think the last few posts need to be reviewed for attacking the spectral hand in melee while Krysta's holding a bow.
I'm not sure how things pan out, but this is my observation. If she hits the hand which attacked her, then the grasping touch may not happen.
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Post by TheUdjat on May 15, 2007 12:12:20 GMT -5
Sorry to be a spoilsport, but Krysta's readied action was to attack the first thing to attack her. The hand (using a touch spell) is that thing, not the mage directing it. I think the last few posts need to be reviewed for attacking the spectral hand in melee while Krysta's holding a bow. I'm not sure how things pan out, but this is my observation. If she hits the hand which attacked her, then the grasping touch may not happen. She could always shoot at it as it approaches - or, hell, even shoot at it 5' away. It's not like it threatens. Either way, the hand has AC 28 (as I read the spell), which would be a miss.
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Post by Fangor the Fierce on May 15, 2007 12:26:25 GMT -5
Dismissing, isn't that a standard action?
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Post by TheUdjat on May 15, 2007 12:28:48 GMT -5
Dismissing, isn't that a standard action? I'll be damned. So it is. Well then, ignore my previous action and allow me to post a new one.
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Post by Fangor the Fierce on May 15, 2007 12:30:30 GMT -5
Yes, it's a Standard Action, at which point, you used your move and standard action, my readied action doesn't go off, yet I now have the initiative, right? And no tentacles in my way... So, Japic, should I get a round of actions now, or what?
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Post by TheUdjat on May 15, 2007 12:34:21 GMT -5
Uh, don't be too hasty. I just won't dismiss the Tentacles *shrug* no biggie. It's the least trouble for book-keeping, too, with all the rolls already made. I'll just roll the 20% miss chance (to-hit would still hit, regardless of cover, and the hand manifests, rather than getting caught in the Tentacles).
[dice=100] 1-20 misses, 21+ hits. Still hits.[rand=2533867871378865551938826736872656769868668387855823001840497588]
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Post by Japic on May 15, 2007 14:36:08 GMT -5
Ok, so the tentacles do not disperse (since it would take too much time) and the hand carrying the touch spell moves to attack Krysta. Her readied action happens (which she was very specific about "Ready action to shoot at first thing that attacks her") and she looses her arrow at the hand.
The above attack rolls indicate that the attack is at a 26, vs AC 28 of the hand. The arrow misses the hand, and since the hand does not threaten it cannot take an AoO against her.
Caelith's spectral hand delivers the touch spell and returns to his side.
Krysta's initiative.
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Post by Fangor the Fierce on May 15, 2007 14:50:10 GMT -5
Sounds good to me! Sensing that the mage was going to do this cat and mouse attacks, she simply shrugs. "Is that all you have!" she calls out, knowing that it simply wasn't good enough.
So, before she can post, I need some clarification. Is Caelith still behind the pillar, or now out able to be shot at? Not sure myself.
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Post by TheUdjat on May 15, 2007 16:06:22 GMT -5
((OOC)) Caelith had to move out to see Krysta for his spell, and cannot move after having made a standard action. So he's stuck out there in sight, albeit behind cover.
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Post by Japic on May 15, 2007 16:35:37 GMT -5
((OOC)) Caelith had to move out to see Krysta for his spell, and cannot move after having made a standard action. So he's stuck out there in sight, albeit behind cover. How far out from the last picture I put up? I'm not sure myself. Krysta should be 30' south of the pillar (far right square) she was behind, is that right? If I can get positioning I will post a new map for clarification's sake.
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Post by TheUdjat on May 15, 2007 16:56:04 GMT -5
Exact same position. He took a step to the West after the fireball, and a step back East for the Shocking Grasp.
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Post by Fangor the Fierce on May 15, 2007 17:22:06 GMT -5
No, 20 feet, as the spell is 20 foot radius of tentacles...Krysta is 20 foot south.. still able to see Caelith, so shooting now
+15 to hit, AC 25[dice=20], hit Miss Chance 1-20 miss[dice=100], hit 1d8+2+1d6[dice=8][dice=6]=6 damage
Going for full attack, as she has no other option... +10 to hit[dice=20]hit miss chance again, 1-20 misses[dice=100] 1d8+2+1d6[dice=8][dice=6]=12 damage
She sees her arrows fly true, yet she herself has a little damage as well. This was going to be tough...
18 total damage to Caelith 81/103 hp left AC 24 for Cover 20% miss chance AC 13 Touch[rand=481295760704702148705578286504051206562995918130768462657846503996]
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Post by TheUdjat on May 15, 2007 17:39:07 GMT -5
No, 20 feet, as the spell is 20 foot radius of tentacles...Krysta is 20 foot south.. still able to see Caelith, so shooting now The Tentacles are 20' radius, ergo Krysta probably wants to be 25' south of her previous position, which would be just outside their area of effect. I'll do my round tomorrow morning.
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